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This is a thread for all those coins with interesting denominations - those that break free of the normal "1, 2, 5, 10, 20, 25, 50, 100..." pattern.



(Vichy) French Indo-China, 1/4 cent, 1942



Syria, 2½ qirsh, 1956



India, 3 paise, 1966♦



Venezuela, 12½ centimos, 1944 - this denomination is actually seen in many Latin American countries. It's a legacy of the Spanish eight-reales silver coin - 1 real equals 12½ cents.



Prussia, 3 mark, 1910A



Turkey, 750,000 lira, 2002 - so close to 1,000,000!!
Panama surely has a few of them

Panama 1973 2.5 Centesimos




Panama 1953 1/10 Balboa




Panama 1940 1.25 Centesimos

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2/3 Thaler from saxony albertine
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces60023.html
4 Pence from Guyana
4 1/2, 9 and 18 piastres from Cyprus
6 pence from any British country
7 kreuzer from Austria
8 doubles from Guernsey
15 kopeks from Russia and USSR
30 & 60 centavos from Portuguese India
I do not have this coin, nor is it in numista that I know of. But here is a cool one:

1 billion Mark 1923 Notgeld from Westfalen

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1/2 & 1/4 farthings are my favourites. The double florin is too as it was an early attempt at decimalisation. To replace the crown and the florin would have replaced the half crown.
Here's one from India

India 2010 75 Rupees



Another one is a 60 Rupees coin, https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces46840.html


India 2013 150 rupees (Swami Vivekananda)

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Quote: BarnabusI do not have this coin, nor is it in numista that I know of. But here is a cool one:

1 billion Mark 1923 Notgeld from Westfalen

I have this one!
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces32474.html
50 Million mark
How about 37.50 Roubles?

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces40213.html
I think You all forgot about Jersey coins (early ones). But here is mine favourite:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces40352.html
Regards
Kuna
Check my doubles. ;)
Egypt 2 ½ milliemes.  This one has the added bonus of being an unusual shape too

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces7069.html

15 Kreutzer

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces7068.html

30 Kreutzer


I own both.
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Guernsey - 4 Doubles



Jersey - 1/12 Shilling

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Quote: Barnabus1 billion Mark 1923 Notgeld from Westfalen
It's rather a trillion Mark in English because of the long-/ short-scale system.

4 Reichspfennig

USSR, 3 Kopeken: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces766.html
USSR, 15 Kopeken: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces2084.html

Got one of each, none has any real value.

There also were 10 and 20 Kopeken coins. Strange they still considered those 15's useful.

Odd multiples are the rule in any non-decimal monetary system, which we aren't used to any longer. Nobody considered a 3d or 6d coin unusual before the pound was decimalised.
Gwyde
Quote: GwydeUSSR, 3 Kopeken: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces766.html
USSR, 15 Kopeken: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces2084.html

Got one of each, none has any real value.

There also were 10 and 20 Kopeken coins. Strange they still considered those 15's useful.

Odd multiples are the rule in any non-decimal monetary system, which we aren't used to any longer. Nobody considered a 3d or 6d coin unusual before the pound was decimalised.
Yeah, those 3 and 15 kopeken are indeed quite strange. Just like the USSR, El Salvador also issued 1,2 and 3 centavos coins and I believe Uruguay used 10, 15 and 25 centimos coins during the 1950's.
"For by telling them of many things without teaching them you will make them seem to know much, while for the most part they know nothing"
-Plato
my favorite 17 krajczár:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces48230.html
Don't own this one, but...
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces49589.html
In the Austrian Netherlands, the common copper change was the 'liard' ('oord' in Dutch). The same unit was also used in France. A rather frequently used multiple is the 14 liards coin (22 mm, billion).

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces28682.html

Here the reverse with value indication in Roman digits X IV



Moreover this coin is NOT an entire fraction of the common circulation silver coin, the escalin or schelling.
That coin was equivalent to 24 liards. Twelve of the above billion 14 liards were equivalent to 7 escalins. Coinage systems tended to 'grow organically' and with each major change of government (e.g. from Spanish to Austrian rule), a 'patch' was used to make things work again, albeit with a hiccup.

To account for the 'misfit' between the 14 liard coin and the escalin, 10 liard coins were minted (also billion). One of each were worth the small silver escalin.
Gwyde
You have quite a nice Austrian Netherlands collection!
250 .... cent :8D
Referee of south atlantic islands
Jersey 1/52 Shilling - Victoria 1841-1861 (£0.00962)
1040 = £1
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces22100.html
Roy
Mathematically looking at the issue, you'll find that most of our denominations can be traced back to the first three prime numbers of 2,3 and 5; and of course 1.
1,2,3,4(2*2),5,6(2*3),10(2*5),12(2*2*3)... 100(2*2*5*5)...so is 15(3*5), 25(5*5),75(3*5*5) I would not call unusaul denominations, likewise the division of the same prime in any configuration I wouldn't call "unusual":
1/2, 1/3,  2/3,  3/4,  1/4,  1/6,  1/12,  1/10... 1/100 are pretty common formats.

The 37.5 Roubles looks weird, but if you look at it, it is a common (3*5*5)/2, so kinda boring. (;0

The Dutch 7 and 14 (2*7) are starting to be interesting...
... and, Roy's 1/52 (i.e. 1/(2*2*13) is a very cool one, because 13 is quite a high prime number to be formed into the denomination.

So, I guess the higher prime it has the weirder the denomination is.

So far the 17 krajczár is the "winner":
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces48230.html

So, if you find anything with following components in them, that would be really really weird:
  19 23 29 31 37 41 43 47 53 59 61 67 71  73  79 83 89 97 101 103 107 109 113 127 131 137 139 149 151 157 163 167 173  179 181 191 193 197 199 211 223 227 229 233 239 241 251 257 263 269 271 277 281   283 293 307 311 313 317 331 337 347 349 353 359 367 373 379 383 389 397 401 409 419 421 431 433 439 443 449 457 461 463 467 479 487 491 499 503 509 521 523 541  547 557 563 569 571 577 587 593 599 601 607 613 617 619 631 641 643 647 653 659   661 673 677 683 691 701 709 719 727 733 739 743 751 757 761 769 773 787 797 809 :D  :D

Btw, Roy, what is the story behind the 1/52?
A guinea was worth 21 shillings most of the time (but during the 18th century that tended to vary according to the shift of the gold/silver ratio.)

Even after the gold coin ceased to be minted, the denomination was still used (in auctions and betting).
On an auction, customers were charged in guineas, while the supplier was paid the same nominal amount in pounds: the difference being the premium for the auctioneer.
Gwyde
Quote: imrehMathematically looking at the issue, you'll find that most of our denominations can be traced back to the first three prime numbers of 2,3 and 5; and of course 1.
Yes, most currencies are set so you can reach any number with a maximum of 6 coins, three to make up the 10s and three to make up the ones.  NZ used to have 1,2, 5, 10, 20, 50 cents. Some of them do have unusual ones like Panama that had this coin in their lower divisions instead



Which meant they needed to have a half cent as well

A new 4-pence for me... I think this was the last groat meant to circulate. If you include a decimal 5-pence, you can count all the way to 6 with circulating British coins without skipping any numbers...
anyone into the primes theory?  :(


96 Lire
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces53031.html
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How about these Albanian coins minted by the Italian Occupation army during WWII:






There are also 0.10 and 0.005 Leke, but I had these images ready.
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not an unusual number but an unusual value for a coin
Quote: apuking

96 Lire
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces53031.html
Wow... 96=2x2x2x2x2x3 ... it is a bit overdoing it :D
Another unusual value .... from Jersey Island  X-D

1/26 shilling

A recent addition for me: the Russian, Soviet, and British empires all created many 3-denominated coins in their various spheres of influence, but there are very few modern 4-denominated coins. The early Portuguese republican coins are very competently designed and are probably some of the nicest European issues from that time: I especially like the head of Liberty with no words around it.
That is a beautiful coin.
Another 4...


Nepal, 4 paisa, 1955
That 1888 4d was struck specifically for British Guiana.


Toago 1-1/2 pence.


24 mariengroschen = 2/3 Thaler.
Another "4".

Morocco 4 Falus - Sidi Mohammed IV

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Hello,

One seven from Austria



https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces49589.html

Cheers, André
Quand l'Histoire et la Géographie se croisent sur nos pièces de monnaie ...
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During the 19th century, Brazil used the Real (plural Reis) as did Portugal. The unit 'Real' was not minted any more: in Brazil all were multiples of 10. They used to have some 'binary' system: 10, 20, 40, 80, 80, 160, 320, 640 and then ... 960 (!). Very early 960 Reis coins were counterstamped Spanish colonial 8 Reales. This may have been the reason for minting this unusual denomination.



https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces28705.html

A Penny being 4 Farthing, there also are 960 Farthing to the Sovereign. In the Brazilian style, the Sovereign would need to be minted as '960 Farthing'.
Gwyde
6.55957 Francs



While pretty unusual, this number is not surprising. It was the exchange rate between the French franc and the Euro. In 2001, the last year national currencies were minted in the Euro area, several such coins have been minted. -  https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces34190.html

I 've chosen this one since it represents the virtue of the French revolution which unfortunately is the one most often neglected ...

Je suis Charlie
Gwyde
Quote: GwydeThere also were 10 and 20 Kopeken coins. Strange they still considered those 15's useful.
The decimal system was invented and, for the first time in the world, applied by the Russian emperor Peter I in the beginning of XVIII century. So there was no tradition, no standard list of denominations. Russian Empire tried them all, and 15 kopeks just remained in the Soviet Union from that period.

El Salvador, 3 centavos, 1974

This is just weird. I always associate denominations of 0.03 with communism, so maybe this coin triggered a U.S. intervention :8D
Here is one that I have:


There are some really weird ones out there:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces21369.html - 7.6 Soli
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces40352.html  - 1.95583 Leva
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces65408.html - 6.55957 Francs
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces4637.html - 1/600 Piastre
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces22163.html - 1/3 Skilling
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces53580.html - 50,000,000 Lira - you probably thought this is the highest denomination ever, but even this isn't!
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces40213.html - 37 Rubles 50 Kopeks
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces31928.html - 4.5 Piastres
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces68678.html - 1957 Dram
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces5220.html - 1/13 shilling

And plenty more that are not in Numista's catalog, like:
2014 Nuie "2014 dollars"
Thailand 16000 Baht - there are a few different types
etc
HoH
Quote: nalaberong
El Salvador, 3 centavos, 1974

This is just weird. I always associate denominations of 0.03 with communism, so maybe this coin triggered a U.S. intervention :8D
That's not communism. That's just archaic. USA also had 3 cents, for example.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces1129.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces4727.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces2702.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces5336.html
Not mentioned so far:
Tibet 7½ Skar
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces19095.html
I'm not orange and also in other things I'm not a Donald at all. DonChori like Don Felipe or Doña María, por favor.
Quote: ciscoins
Quote: nalaberong
El Salvador, 3 centavos, 1974

This is just weird. I always associate denominations of 0.03 with communism, so maybe this coin triggered a U.S. intervention :8D
That's not communism. That's just archaic. USA also had 3 cents, for example.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces1129.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces4727.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces2702.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces5336.html
The three cent (silvers) were introduced as the US Post reduced its rate to 3 Cents for a stamp.
At that time, the Californian Gold Rush of 1849 caused the yellow metal to cheapen relative to silver.  Hoarding of silver coins fostered the production of the only lower fineness (0.750) silver coin in the US before the 0.400 Kennedy half in 1965.

http://www.ngccoin.com/coin-explorer/three-cent-silvers-pscid-20
Gwyde
Quote: imrehRoy's 1/52 (i.e. 1/(2*2*13) is a very cool one, because 13 is quite a high prime number to be formed into the denomination.
Quote: imrehBtw, Roy, what is the story behind the 1/52?
Quote: crazy_kongAnother unusual value .... from Jersey Island  X-D

1/26 shilling
I have the same value as crazy_kong, and this value is simply the double of 1/52. But I know why, thanks to FR Wikipedia. Before adopting the £SD currency system, Jersey was using the French coinage. Their "2 sous" coins were converted in £SD by 2 sous = approx. 1 penny, exactly 1/13 shilling (instead of 12). Because of this conversion facilities, Jersey asked to make its pennies as 1/13 shilling instead of usual British rate 1/12. That's why crazy_kong's coin and mine are equivalent in Jersey system to halfpennies and Roy's to a farthing.
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Catalogue administrator, numerous Antique nations and Lorraine referee.
  One twenty-fourth of  shilling ...

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces3796.html

 Half of 5 Cents is 2.1/2 Cents ...

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces4414.html

 Value of 400 Réis ...

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces2244.html

 A value of 1/2 is alright but to call it 5/10 is unusual I think ...

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces19281.html

 One third farthing is 1/240 x 1/4 x 1/3 of 1 Pound, so is 1/2880 ...

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces19480.html

Timor, 30 centavos, 1958 - seems like a relic of some pre-decimal system.
I don't know if this counts, but 10 million Marks is odd (wallpaper anyone?)

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Quote: "Peter M. Graham"​I don't know if this counts, but 10 million Marks is odd (wallpaper anyone?)

​Never mind, it doesn't count as it is not a coin.

But this one does....


It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble.  It's what you know for sure, that just ain't so.  Mark Twain
Quote: "Peter M. Graham"
Quote: "Peter M. Graham"​I don't know if this counts, but 10 million Marks is odd (wallpaper anyone?)
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​​Never mind, it doesn't count as it is not a coin.

​But this one does....


​Same mint, same style...

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Catalogue administrator, numerous Antique nations and Lorraine referee.
Quote: "nalaberong"
​Timor, 30 centavos, 1958 - seems like a relic of some pre-decimal system.

Missed opportunity to make it even more unusual with a 28 centavos. The Escudo replaced the Pataca in East Timor in 1958 at a rate of 5.6 Escudos per Pataca. I seriously find it odd that the monetary decision makers came up with this rather than just using 25 centavos and so on. But at least it created a nice collectable series.
Quote: "Houseofham"https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces40352.html - 1.95583 Leva
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces65408.html - 6.55957 Francs


ah, the euro conversion rates :)
Quote: "Houseofham"https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces53580.html - 50,000,000 Lira - you probably thought this is the highest denomination ever, but even this isn't!


https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces20338.html - 1 Trillion(!) Mark

I like these ones:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces7386.html - 7.2 Candareens
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces27137.html - 1 Mace 4.4 Candareens

another fancy one
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces48836.html - 1001 Francs

and I found this one
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces25539.html - 4.2 ECUs
when I wanted to find something like this
http://banknote.ws/COLLECTION/countries/EUR/GER/GER-RSV.htm#SCHATZANWEISUNGEN
During inflation in Germany, they made these dollar-pegged banknotes (treasury certificates), where 1 dollar was equivalent to 4.2 mark
So there were banknotes from 0.42 mark to 21 mark

and another strange one:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces68622.html - Guadeloupe 82.5 Livres (3 * 5 * 11 / 2)
which was nine-and-one-sixth times this coin
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces68542.html - Guadeloupe 9 Livres
An old post that I thought we can revive.

Here a coin I just added to the catalogue,
It bears the denomination:
3 1/2 Kreuzer as well as 2 1/2 Kreuzer

The coin was valued at 3 1/2 Kreuzer in the city of Ulm and 2 1/2 Kreuzer in other regions of the Holy Roman Empire.

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Fantastic thread! Staying in Germany, here are some that have not yet graced it:


4 pfennig one year issue; issued in 1932 during the Depression, in an attempt to lower living costs (with one of these replacing the 5pf), but it was ridiculed and given many pejorative nicknames.(while 4 pfennig denominations had existed in many pre-1873, pre-unification German states, that denomination made more sense in a pre-decimal currency than this coin)

And staying in 1932, here's the last ever "thaler", or more accurately, 3 mark coin minted:

When the Mark currency was introduced in 1873 for a unified Germany the old Vereinsthalers were revalued at 3 marks each, and continued circulating at that rate amongst mark coins until 1908, when a regular 3 mark denomination was introduced to replace the old thalers which were demonetised then. After the Great War the 3 mark resumed mintage until 1933, when production of them ceased altogether (supposedly because they were seen as antiquated).
Netherlands Antilles

2 1/2 Gulden - https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces14071.html
2 1/2 Cents - https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces7660.html

Weimar Republic

3 Mark - https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces3415.html
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Spain is not here yet so i will bring some from my country

4 Cornados - Felipe III



4 Maravedis - Felipe III (second pick its not "moved", my coin has that efect)



16 Maravedis - Felipe IV



8 Maravedis - Isabel II

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Quote: "apuking"​An old post that I thought we can revive.

​Here a coin I just added to the catalogue,
​It bears the denomination:
​3 1/2 Kreuzer as well as 2 1/2 Kreuzer

​The coin was valued at 3 1/2 Kreuzer in the city of Ulm and 2 1/2 Kreuzer in other regions of the Holy Roman Empire.

​wouldn’t this cause the same problem as gold and silver being valued differently.

Wouldn’t some people buy these at the 2 1/2 rate and then, sell them at the 3 1/2 rate? Repeat...
Taking a break from swapping for a while, but still interested in pre 1799 Spanish coins, I will make time for that!

Looking for pre 1783 coins
Quote: "redsmithstudios"
Quote: "apuking"​An old post that I thought we can revive.
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​​Here a coin I just added to the catalogue,
​​It bears the denomination:
​​3 1/2 Kreuzer as well as 2 1/2 Kreuzer
​​
​​The coin was valued at 3 1/2 Kreuzer in the city of Ulm and 2 1/2 Kreuzer in other regions of the Holy Roman Empire.
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​​wouldn’t this cause the same problem as gold and silver being valued differently.

​ Wouldn’t some people buy these at the 2 1/2 rate and then, sell them at the 3 1/2 rate? Repeat...
​it was common praxis in the German States.
Issuing states and cities wanted mainly their own coins to circulate.
but with the many many places issuing coins it was normal for someone to have coins from several places in his pouch.
The issuers then often set lower values for coins of other places.
some even marked coins with punchmarks to show their inferior value.
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https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces128785.html
ROMAE AETERNAE
60 centavos
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces11767.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces14454.html
English coins had some bizarre denominations too.
Elizabethan times, saw a ¾d or threefarthings issued as a result of merchants complaining of people giving pennies to pay for a one farthing purchase and handing back a halfpenny and farthing was too inconvenient!

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces113368.html

There was also a Three Halfpence (1½d), unlike the above this coin lasted QE1's reign and was minted up to 1862 as like with fractional farthings there was a market for this coin in Ceylon and Malta

Here is an Elizabethan one
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces55829.html
And Victorian
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces13826.html
I love coins
Quote: "druzhynets"https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces128785.html
​This reminds me of the 6.55957 francs commemoratives issued by France in the 1990s:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/index.php?mode=avance&p=1&l=&r=&e=france&d=&ru=&i=&ca=3&no=&m=&v=6.55957&t=&a=&w=&dg=&f=&u=&g=&c=&tb=y&tc=y&tn=y&tp=y&tt=y&te=y&cat=y

They were issued with this very exact number because that was the exchange rate between the French franc (FRF) and the euro.

Anyone got a coin with a face denomination with more decimal spaces? :°
English gold coins before the Sovereign (1816) presented a plethora of BIZARRE denominations.

Gold penny = 20d(pennies) - not weird but when you had a base 12 counting system, the rate of 1/8 seemed bizarre and it was 1/8th of a Mark (160 pennies) a unit of accounting but never represented by any coin at any stage in British medieval history.

In fact until 1347, the only British coins issued were pennies and their fractions, that year saw the arrival of a groat (4d) and its half (2d). There was also a good coinage issued of a Florin (6/- or 72d), its half a leopard (3/- or 36d) and a helm (1/6 or 18d). An attempt at issuing groats in 1279 was a failure.

Like the gold penny of the 1200s, this coinage was a failure and replaced by the Gold Noble coinage in 1351 and the Noble was a slightly higher valued coin (6/8 or 80 pennies = ½ mark and 1/3 of a Pound). The Noble also had its half (3/4 = 40d) and Quarter (1/8 = 20d) again no fancy names like before.

This was complicated further in 1470 with the arrival of the Ryal (10s or 120d) and in 1489 of the Pound Sovereign (20s, £1 or 240d) and these coins were slowly shrunk in size through the 15th and 16th centuries.

By 1540 you had all the above plus the "fine" sovereign of 30s (360d and made out of Fine gold 23.5 carats (.978) instead of 22 carat royal gold (.916). The fractions of the noble disappeared and in came the gold crown (5s or 60d) and its half (2/6 or 30d) and the Crown of the Rose (4/6 or 54d).

In Elizabeth's reign, this confusion ended, the Fine and Pound Sovereigns along with their halves were kept (30/-, 20/- 15/- and 10/-) however the Noble was a Gold angel now and scrapped by 1600, and the Crown and Half Crown coins were issued in Silver and Gold.

The period 1603 - 1661 was more regular with a £1 gold coin being issued as Unites, Laurels or Broads and units of 3x, 1x and halves being issued. Gold angels now valued at 10/- were also issued. All coins 5/- and down were silver or tin.

Starting in 1662 began the confusing Guinea coinage named after Gold from West Africa. This was a plan to have gold coins (Milled for the first time) of 100/-, 40/-, 20/- and 10/- (Basically the £5, 2, 1 and ½) and these were at these rates for a few years (Guinea = £1, 20/- 240 pence). However instability in the later 17th century saw the Guinea rise to 30/- at some stage and it fluctuated. After the Bank of England was stabilised and started in 1694, the Guinea was revalued at 21/- so we now had a series of coins worth 105/- (1260 pence £5/5-)
42/- (504 pence, £2/2-), 21/- (252 pence, £1/1-) and 10/6 (126 pence = ½ guinea).

After the era of King George I (1727), the issue of coins above 1 guinea was sporadic, but still we had a gold coinage not fully in sync with silver. Massive coin shortages during the reign of King George III (1760 - 1820) saw very few gold or silver coins issued except for many guineas (21/-) and bizarrely 1/3 guineas (7/- or 84 pence). Even funnier was the issue of overstruck Spanish dollars (8 reales) valued at 4/6 (54 pence) and between 1807 and 1816 silver bank tokens at the bizarre rates of 3/- and 1/6 (36 and 18 pence), a 9d coin was planned but never issued and poor old Ireland got 10d and 5d bank tokens!

Finally in 1816 this craziness ended witha regular supply of steam pressed coins and a gold coinage based around a sovereign an actual coin worth £1 (20/- 240 pence) and its half, with occasional doubles and 5 pound coins issued mostly at the beginning of reigns, although until King William IV (1830s) £5 and £2 coins were regualrly issued as circulation pieces. Under Victoria, these were only issued in 1838, 39, 87 and 93 as commemoratives, with the Soverign and its half being the regular circulation coin, with high values being issued with banknotes. After 1919 the banknote became king and circulation gold ended in 1932.

The guinea lived on as a accounting unit though, with many prestige items being priced in guineas right up to decimalisation (1971), even in the early 1960s I am reading how George Harrison paid so many guineas for this guitar and that guitar!
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Quote: "Moneytane"​The guinea lived on as a accounting unit though, with many prestige items being priced in guineas right up to decimalisation (1971), even in the early 1960s I am reading how George Harrison paid so many guineas for this guitar and that guitar!
​Very educational, I learned a ton from reading that post! <:D

The guinea as an accounting unit lives on even today; the 21 shilling denomination meant that "prestige items" could be priced in regular pounds (20 shillings), with the extra shilling being the auctioneer's premium; something which you still see today with things like racehorses (nowadays 21/- is £1.05).

Also worth noting is how despite the 1 shilling difference in value, a lot of times post-1816, people would continue to refer to sovereigns as "guineas".
Entirely true Cass, I have newspapers from 1964/65 with ads for department stores and they all advertise things like transistor radios, bicycles, various hunks of furniture and they all use guineas, eg: Murphy 12 inch TV set, your cost only 139 guineas rather £145/19- its true cost. Guess like now when such catalogues often omit GST - it was to make things look cheaper. People thought £139 sounded cheaper and more exciting than £145/19.

Now you will see "This car $39,999.99 only" and in ultra small lettering "+GST and ORC meaning a goods and services tax of 15% on everything and ORC which feature compulosry $400 for registration, warrant and some even sell the car with no petrol in it. Computer companies do it too.

I think pricing stuff in guineas was actually deceptive, as after 1816 there was no "Guinea" coin or note, only Pound notes and coins in shillings and pence.

Of course with decimalisation, guineas went away, although the technical modern value of one would be $2.10 in new money in most places (All decimal dollar currencies were $1 = 10/- and $2 = £1 except Malayan and East Carribean dollars which were decimalised earlier and worth much less). The other exceptions were the UK, Ireland and Malta whose decimal pounds were equivalated at the same value (50 new pence = 10/- and £1 = £1 decimal).
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https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces86231.html

Estonia. 15.65 Krooni 1999

I bought this coin in Tallinn in 2000


https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces7104.html

I have this one also from Germany
I'm just a collector of coins, not a slave to it, unless I am in a coin shop.
For all you banknote collectors. Link to my swap list.
https://colnect.com/en/banknotes/list/swap_list/COINMAN1
10½ Sols (7/64) - Geneva (Swiss cantons) - 1714 - Gold
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces100081.html
Some of us currency collectors will be aware of the 15,35,45,70,90 kyat banknotes from Myanmar

http://www.atsnotes.com/catalog/banknotes/burma.html

Never seen some of these denominations anywhere else
I remember those, but for some bizarre reason they also issued a 200 kyat in that series of which I have one.

India too has this system, after 2016 they recalled all the old 500 and 1000 rupee notes and demonitised them because of laundering and fakes and replaced them with new 500 and a 2000 rupee note. Yes you can get a 2000 rupee note, but not a 1000 one!

Thailand issues bizarre denominations for its anniversaries. Notes for 60, 70 and 80 baht appeared in 1987. 1997 and 2007 for the King's birthday and again a 60 baht note in 2006 for his 60th anniversary of reign.

In 2007, an 800 baht silver coin appeared for his 80th birthday, along with a circulation 10 baht and a copper nickel 20 baht of which 10 kazillion examples I have.

The 800 baht coin looks like these, except its silver and says 800 baht rather than 20.

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I have a 7 Kreuzer coin from Austria. Francis II, 1802A, Vienna, Austria. UNC condition.
A different design from the previous 7 Kreuzer coin. Cost <€100.

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