Lotus07
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Posted: 30-Jun-2016, 14:07
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Posted: 30-Jun-2016, 14:07
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Austria-Habsburg 20 kreuzer 1781-E
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Ecapoe
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Posted: 30-Jun-2016, 21:51
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Posted: 30-Jun-2016, 21:51
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Hello dear,
If you don't mind, it would be really nice to send us a picture of the other side, plus, if possible, some additional information such as weight and diameter.
The rest, I guess I can take in charge. It should be KM#2068.1, the type without lion face on shoulder, but given the character a bit ... stiff ... of your request, it can only be a guess.
My best regards,
André
PS. It will be a nice addition !
PPS. I am absolutely sorry for my awful English, it is not my mother language.
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Lotus07
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Posted: 30-Jun-2016, 22:33
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Posted: 30-Jun-2016, 22:33
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Hi Andre,
Your English is fine, no worries :)
I am the one who needs to apogize, because I was a bit unclear with my message. I only would like that 1781 E could be added to the date list of KM# 2069.
Best regards, Pepijn
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Ecapoe
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Posted: 1-Jul-2016, 08:48
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Posted: 1-Jul-2016, 08:48
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Hello Pepijn,
The date 1781 E is not referenced in Krause for the KM#2069 (type with undressed and narrower bust), and worse, it is neither in the Herinek catalogue.
That is why I would like to have a picture of the obverse before adding a line, to make sure it is not the type with dressed wider bust (KM#2068). Herinek has it for 1781 E as #241, even with a picture.
The legend of your coin seems to end with M D HETR (Magnus Dux Hetruriae), which supports this last hypothesis. The undressed bust type seems to have mostly M D HET (without R).
Regards, André
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Lotus07
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Posted: 1-Jul-2016, 11:28
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Posted: 1-Jul-2016, 11:28
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Here's a picture of the obverse:
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Ecapoe
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Posted: 1-Jul-2016, 11:57
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Posted: 1-Jul-2016, 11:57
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Great.
Your coin is definitely not KM#2069 but KM#2068.1 referenced as Her#241
The bottom of the bust is dressed and broader.
If you don't mind, I will use your picture to create a new sheet (unless you like to do it
for your record).
If later we find a better pic, we will change it.
If you can read the legend on the coin itself, it will be much easier than on the picture.
Regards, André
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Lotus07
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Posted: 1-Jul-2016, 14:24
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Posted: 1-Jul-2016, 14:24
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No problem, do as you wish. Would you like a sharper picture of the reverse? I realised the first one is a bit blurry...
It's also hard for me to read the coin on the reverse I can only make up the following:
MDHNIR . 1781 . X ARCHAUSTDHLTH
And on the obverse:
HUNGBOHKLX IOSTIDGKOM and the rest is unreadable. I can vaguely see the mintmark E but because it's so worn off, it almost looks like a B.
I'm not sure if this is helpful, because the inscription is so worn so I'm not sure if it's 100% legit.
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Lotus07
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Posted: 1-Jul-2016, 14:26
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Posted: 1-Jul-2016, 14:26
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Here's a better picture by the way:
"For by telling them of many things without teaching them you will make them seem to know much, while for the most part they know nothing"
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Ecapoe
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Posted: 1-Jul-2016, 16:47
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Posted: 1-Jul-2016, 16:47
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Quote: "Lotus07"No problem, do as you wish. Would you like a sharper picture of the reverse? I realised the first one is a bit blurry...
It's also hard for me to read the coin on the reverse I can only make up the following:
MDHNIR . 1781 . X ARCHAUSTDHLTH
And on the obverse:
HUNGBOHKLX IOSTIDGKOM and the rest is unreadable. I can vaguely see the mintmark E but because it's so worn off, it almost looks like a B.
I'm not sure if this is helpful, because the inscription is so worn so I'm not sure if it's 100% legit.
From what I can see on Herinek's picture (small and not so good), legends are as follows (starting 1h on both sides):
Obverse
IOS II D G ROM IMP // S A GER HUNG BOH REX
Stands for "Iosephus II Dei Gratia Romanorum Imperator Semper Augustus Germaniae Hungariae Bohemiae Rex"
Reverse
ARCH AVST D B LOTH // M D HETR date X
For "Archidux Austriae Dux Burgundiae Lotharingiae Magnus Dux Hetruriae"
It seems to fit. If you add the spaces for the unreadable letters
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Lotus07
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Posted: 1-Jul-2016, 19:21
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Posted: 1-Jul-2016, 19:21
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Yes you're right! I don't have that catalogue unfortunately, so I can only make assumptions! ;)
"For by telling them of many things without teaching them you will make them seem to know much, while for the most part they know nothing"
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Ecapoe
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Posted: 1-Jul-2016, 20:37
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Posted: 1-Jul-2016, 20:37
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Done:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces89654.html
You can check your coin now
Regards, André
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Lotus07
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Posted: 1-Jul-2016, 20:39
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Posted: 1-Jul-2016, 20:39
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Quote: "Ecapoe"Done: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces89654.html
You can check your coin now
Regards, André
Great, thank you! :)
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robertcronje1
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Posted: 1-Jul-2016, 22:09
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Posted: 1-Jul-2016, 22:09
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Hi,
I received some coins from a friend who just arrived back in South Africa from Guatamale.
Upon adding them to my collection, I noticed that the 2014 10 Centavos is not in the catalogue. I have received two of these from the guy, can they please be added?
See pics.
Robert Cronje
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