Jarcek
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Posted: 10-Oct-2016, 19:38
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Posted: 10-Oct-2016, 19:38
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Hi everyone!
This won't be another ordinary "show us xxx thread", but you can actually make a difference here. As probably you know, there is a collection metal composition table on your dashboards. I will start with mine:
Aluminium 1366
Copper-nickel 897
Bronze 726
Steel 509
Zinc 398
Aluminium-bronze 375
Nickel-brass 213
Nickel 193
Brass 160
Copper-nickel-zinc 111
Others 418
As you see, there are a lots of "Others". This is something I would to mostly eliminate. Our problem here is that for example
Copper-Nickel/ Copper Nickel/ copper-nickel are
NOT counted as
Copper-nickel but they go to Others. As there are lots of metal variations, I hope to establish some recommended metal list for referees, so we can eliminate the
"Others"
Also, it could help us solve some other troubles with metals. You can see your Dashboard table on French side, probably even Aluminium will show different number for you.
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ken6528
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Posted: 10-Oct-2016, 19:46
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Posted: 10-Oct-2016, 19:46
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Here is my coins
Copper-nickel 5162
Copper 3747
Steel 3646
Bronze 3395
Aluminium-bronze 1572
Aluminium 1552
Stainless 1434
Nickel 1121
Brass 1096
Zinc 827
Others 4111
g00n
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Posted: 10-Oct-2016, 19:50
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Posted: 10-Oct-2016, 19:50
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Copper-nickel 1947
Bronze 1094
Aluminium-bronze 659
Steel 508
Aluminium 412
Silver 403
Nickel 343
Copper 275
Nickel-brass 250
Brass 205
Others 685
stefandobyy
Joined: 10-Nov-2014
Posts: 283
Posted: 10-Oct-2016, 19:53
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Posted: 10-Oct-2016, 19:53
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Copper-nickel 948
Steel 698
Aluminium 442
Bronze 433
Aluminium-bronze 325
Brass 280
Nickel-brass 215
Silver 201
Copper 193
Copper-nickel-zinc 135
Others 668
AmerSalmeh
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Posts: 1687
Posted: 10-Oct-2016, 21:09
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Posted: 10-Oct-2016, 21:09
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Copper-nickel 3128
Steel 2014
Bronze 846
Bi-Metallic 546
Copper 528
Stainless 486
Nickel 233
Aluminium-bronze 184
Nickel-brass 183
Nordic Gold 144
Others 600
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Idolenz
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Posted: 10-Oct-2016, 21:11
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Posted: 10-Oct-2016, 21:11
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I think it would be more useful to give a list of the non-standard metals then a count of the standard categories
here is a selection from my collection:
Jarcek
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Posted: 10-Oct-2016, 21:13
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Posted: 10-Oct-2016, 21:13
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More useful? It is awesome!
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Jarcek
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Posted: 10-Oct-2016, 21:14
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Posted: 10-Oct-2016, 21:14
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This is like, holy grail! Thanks!"
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frankhammer
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Posted: 10-Oct-2016, 22:42
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Posted: 10-Oct-2016, 22:42
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Here's mine:
Bronze 273
Copper-nickel 102
Zinc 70
Silver 43
Steel 24
Aluminium 24
Copper 16
Nickel 16
Aluminium-bronze 13
Brass 7
Others 19
Bronze/copper and silver are the coins I'll be focusing on
Spookie
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Posted: 10-Oct-2016, 23:28
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Posted: 10-Oct-2016, 23:28
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Copper-nickel 1003
Bronze 734
Steel 692
Aluminium-bronze 402
Copper 351
Nickel 339
Aluminium 301
Silver 272
Bi-Metallic 204
Brass 180
Others 724
cncote10
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Posted: 10-Oct-2016, 23:32
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Posted: 10-Oct-2016, 23:32
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These are mine...I'll have to look into the others and see if they can be adjusted
Silver 362
Bi-Metallic 265
Copper 151
Copper-nickel 60
Nickel 13
Nickel-brass 5
Bronze 3
Steel 3
Nordic Gold 3
Aluminium-bronze 2
Others 2
Update: 1 of the 2 listed as other is a notgeld piece in Tombak
neilithic
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Posted: 11-Oct-2016, 00:04
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Posted: 11-Oct-2016, 00:04
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I did bring this up in a Numista website suggestion, that we have a drop-down box for selecting the metals rather than a free text box, which would eliminate both the different ways to enter metals, and spelling mistakes. Like many other suggestions I and others have made, the consensus was pretty positive but nothing came of it.
Andy289
Joined: 12-Mar-2013
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Posted: 11-Oct-2016, 00:10
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Posted: 11-Oct-2016, 00:10
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I suppose you're not surprised at all that nothing has been done. Numista website section is some kind of free discussions forum where people just talk. Actually it's good that we are creative and we expose our ideas but it's just in the benefit of our health.
neilithic
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Posted: 11-Oct-2016, 00:27
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Posted: 11-Oct-2016, 00:27
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For the record, mine is:
Silver 238
Bronze 89
Copper-nickel 58
Copper 46
Zinc 33
Nickel 22
Aluminium-bronze 8
Iron 7
Stainless 5
Nickel-brass 5
Others 17
Emiliano01
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Posted: 11-Oct-2016, 02:51
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Posted: 11-Oct-2016, 02:51
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Metals
Copper-nickel 257
Bi-Metallic 181
Bronze 176
Silver 172
Stainless 136
Aluminium-bronze 70
Copper 59
Brass 50
Nickel 32
Gold 20
Others 23
January First-of-May
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Posted: 11-Oct-2016, 03:50
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Posted: 11-Oct-2016, 03:50
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This is what my table looks like...
Copper-nickel 390
Aluminium 303
Bronze 170
Steel 163
Aluminium-bronze 135
Copper 98
Zinc 76
Stainless 64
Brass 58
Silver 50
Others 202
I think that "stainless" for "stainless steel" is a bug, incidentally.
Ollisaarinen
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Posted: 11-Oct-2016, 05:41
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Posted: 11-Oct-2016, 05:41
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Here is mine:
Copper-nickel 5685
Steel 3223
Bronze 2741
Aluminium 1946
Aluminium-bronze 1829
Copper 1253
Nickel 1047
Brass 982
Bi-Metallic 942
Silver 890
Others 3718
Quite many "others"
Oklahoman
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Posted: 11-Oct-2016, 05:59
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Posted: 11-Oct-2016, 05:59
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I wish the problem of two previous metals good be corrected...i have several platinum and gold and gold and silver bimetals that dont figure in my precious metal counts. My understanding is these issues would be in other metals?
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Jarcek
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Posted: 11-Oct-2016, 09:05
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Posted: 11-Oct-2016, 09:05
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Thank you all so far, the issue is quite widespread. Some crackdown on the others will be needed.
(To Oklahoman - Exactly, that is the problem)
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druzhynets
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Posted: 11-Oct-2016, 09:45
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Posted: 11-Oct-2016, 09:45
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There's a huge mess in San Marino's coin metals. I will fix that in upcoming weeks.
ROMAE AETERNAE
lingawakad
Joined: 11-Mar-2016
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Posted: 11-Oct-2016, 21:40
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Posted: 11-Oct-2016, 21:40
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Thanks,
noah
Handzumgrus
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Posted: 12-Oct-2016, 23:26
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Posted: 12-Oct-2016, 23:26
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Copper-nickel2222
Steel1943
Nickel892
Bi-Metallic875
Bronze736
Aluminium733
Aluminium-bronze674
Copper460
Nordic Gold411
Brass396
Others1515
In future, i will make change requests for all coins with metal descriptions which are not correctly shown, if i have to open the coin sheet.
Jarcek
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Posted: 13-Oct-2016, 11:12
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Posted: 13-Oct-2016, 11:12
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I fixed up several high-profile coins. You should see some decrease in "Others" and some may even notice some silver increase.
However, the effect won't be too big, but it should be noticeable. I am continuning the search for mistakes.
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Handzumgrus
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Posted: 15-Oct-2016, 21:59
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Posted: 15-Oct-2016, 21:59
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What is about "manganic Brass"?
What is the composition of this alloy.
Is it just Brass with Mangan?
Should we list it as Brass?
I think, we shoud ad a field for detailed Informations about the aloys for each coin sheet.
For example "Nordic Gold". What exactly is this. (An alloy of Aluminium, Nickel, Copper...)
Or Brass. There are many different Brass alloys.
The main field should stay for "Copper-nickel" and "Brass" and so on. But the second field should be filled with informations like "Copper075-Nickel025" for usual Copper-nickel or "Copper081-Nickel019" for an other Copper-nickel alloy.
If we only write Copper-nickel, we will loose important informations, i think.
Here are the coin sheets with "manganic Brass" (Poland 1, 2, 5 Groszy non magnetic)
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces526.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces525.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces524.html
Eerovisser
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Posted: 21-Oct-2016, 03:33
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Posted: 21-Oct-2016, 03:33
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Nordic Gold should be added to the list, looks like right now the are included in th Others category.
ArnoV
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Posted: 28-Oct-2016, 17:27
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Quote: "Eerovisser"Nordic Gold should be added to the list, looks like right now the are included in th Others category.
Names like
Nordic Gold (commercial name) and
German Silver or Nickel Silver (colloquial names) can be quite misleading. Internet dealers rarely try to pass Nordic Gold for real gold, but there is a small army of them who try to pass German Silver coins for real silver, which is an easy trap for the unexperienced.
It would be my preference if Numista held on to some convention to name alloys by their elements: Copper-Aluminium-Zinc-Tin, or Copper-Nickel-Zinc, respectively.
Handzumgrus
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Posted: 9-Nov-2016, 12:25
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Posted: 9-Nov-2016, 12:25
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Quote: "ArnoV"
Quote: "Eerovisser"Nordic Gold should be added to the list, looks like right now the are included in th Others category.
Names like Nordic Gold (commercial name) and German Silver or Nickel Silver (colloquial names) can be quite misleading. Internet dealers rarely try to pass Nordic Gold for real gold, but there is a small army of them who try to pass German Silver coins for real silver, which is an easy trap for the unexperienced.
It would be my preference if Numista held on to some convention to name alloys by their elements: Copper-Aluminium-Zinc-Tin, or Copper-Nickel-Zinc, respectively.
I agree.
druzhynets
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Posted: 9-Nov-2016, 13:19
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Posted: 9-Nov-2016, 13:19
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National Bank of Ukraine uses the 'Nickel silver' or 'German silver', but personally for me it's confusing, that's why as a referee of Ukraine I do my best to substitute all 'German silver' or 'Nickel silver' with 'Copper-nickel-zinc', which definitely makes more sense.
ROMAE AETERNAE
Handzumgrus
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Posted: 13-Nov-2016, 10:55
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Posted: 13-Nov-2016, 10:55
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The funny thing is,
I read "German Silver" for my first time here in Numista.
I knew it as "Neusilber" (New Silver). Every German collector calls it "Neusilber". Never heard that someone says "Deutsches Silber" or "German Silver". So i was very surprised to read this.
We should write the composition. This makes much more sense. I agree.
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