Varieties: modern Sudan coins [solved]

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Hello,

With regards to:
1) Sudan 50 Piastres / Qirsh, KM#123 and KM#123a,
comments on the current pages are incomplete, and some are incorrect.
Non-Magnetic: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces7465.html
Magnetic: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces77319.html

* Magnetic:
I own 1 of each type:
1- Curved top stroke of 6
2- Straight top stroke of 6

- My observations are as follows (in addition to the current noted differences):
1- fine reeding (Curved top stroke of 6)
2- coarser reeding (Straight top stroke of 6)

* Non-Magnetic:
2 lines exist with no comments at all at the year lines.
The pic added in the comments section by Emad is incorrect. It could be used actually to show the different edges of the Magnetic type
(I believe he was rather comparing the non-magnetic coin (coarser reeding by default) to the fine reeding type of magnetic; which is rather inaccurate)

- My observations are as follows:
I own 4 coins. All of them have "Straight top stroke of 6"
However, 3 of them have coarser reeding; and 1 has a smooth edge!
It's noteworthy that the smooth edge coin has a little worn surface; so the smooth edge could be a result of wearing

2) 20 Qirsh KM#124;
-Non-Magnetic: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces7464.html
-Magnetic: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces77318.html

I own 1 of each type hence I can't draw conclusions, however my observations match somehow with the 50 Qirsh coin:
- Non-Magnetic: Straight top stroke of 6; coarser reeding (a little worn out including half of the edge surprisingly)
- Magnetic: Curved top stroke of 6; fine reeding

3) 10 Qirsh KM#122
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces7463.html
I checked my 34 coins and there is no noticeable difference

4) 1 Pound KM#127
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces38747.html
I checked my 7 coins and noticed that:
3 coins, edge readable when obverse is on top
4 coins, edge readable when reverse is on top
Also, when having each set on top of each other with lettering on edge matching, the coin rotation doesn't match; so edge lettering position is not the same

Let me know your thoughts :)
Catalog Master Referee & Referee for UAE
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Amer Salmeh
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Catalog Master Referee & Referee for UAE
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Amer Salmeh
I will have to check mine. I love this family of coins. Here in Oklahoma i get all i want...no one seems to care around here. But i love them...
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I would suggest contacting Sjoelund. He loves varieties and can provide expertise at almost every coin here. You probably met some of his awesome infographics all over catalogue already.

https://en.numista.com/echanges/profil.php?id=19864

And of course Dato, as referee of Sudan can be of help:

https://en.numista.com/echanges/profil.php?id=43295
Catalogue administrator
I've contacted Sjoelund and Emad as soon as I posted the topic, and I've just msged Dato as well. Thanks!
Catalog Master Referee & Referee for UAE
https://www.instagram.com/amer.coins
Amer Salmeh
Dear Amer ,
thank you for all thework you`ve done over these two coins.
We ( Me and Ole Sjoelund) grew this information through the years, , - your observation made some strong positions .
Well, I will research all material which I have at this moment in collection, and compare with your research, - then we together make last and correct changes in each coins.
yours
David
1) Sudan 50 Piastres / Qirsh, KM#123 and KM#123a,
comments on the current pages are incomplete, and some are incorrect.
Non-Magnetic: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces7465.html
Magnetic: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces77319.html

* Magnetic:
I own 1 of each type:
1- Curved top stroke of 6
2- Straight top stroke of 6

- My observations are as follows (in addition to the current noted differences):
1- fine reeding (Curved top stroke of 6)
2- coarser reeding (Straight top stroke of 6)

Numista catalog shows that there are two varieties - curved and straight stroke of 6
Photo of edges in comment cell shows that edge varieties also exist if someone interest, but its unresearchable, because you have to research at least 500 UNC-XF coins or you have to get official report of Khartoum Mint to say trully that straight "6" has edge reeding "A" and curved " 6" has edge reeding "B"


* Non-Magnetic:
2 lines exist with no comments at all at the year lines.

Empty line is the rudiment of earlier sheet of "50 Piastres" - befor dividing it on magnetic and non-magnetic types.
We are not deleting it because I think it will be also change to the lines with number " 6" varieties. I just wait for someone who report second variety with picture.


The pic added in the comments section by Emad is incorrect. It could be used actually to show the different edges of the Magnetic type

No, picture is correct - it is a non-magnetic coin between magnetic ones - at least he describes his picture so.. It proves again that edge reedng isnot so important since we dont have official proof. Agree Edge: reeded ( Fine reeding) must be changed just to the " Reeded"

(I believe he was rather comparing the non-magnetic coin (coarser reeding by default) to the fine reeding type of magnetic; which is rather inaccurate)

- My observations are as follows:
I own 4 coins. All of them have "Straight top stroke of 6"
However, 3 of them have coarser reeding; and 1 has a smooth edge!
It's noteworthy that the smooth edge coin has a little worn surface; so the smooth edge could be a result of wearing

Edge reeding is not so important variety for 99,9% of users to make separate line for it. While obverse or reverse design, including "6" variety is imp-ortant and deserves to have separate lines. If we will catch another design of the edge, we will add separate line. . Or, again, we must compare at least 500 UNC coins or have official info from Mint.

2) 20 Qirsh KM#124;
-Non-Magnetic: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces7464.html
-Magnetic: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces77318.html

I own 1 of each type hence I can't draw conclusions, however my observations match somehow with the 50 Qirsh coin:
- Non-Magnetic: Straight top stroke of 6; coarser reeding (a little worn out including half of the edge surprisingly)
- Magnetic: Curved top stroke of 6; fine reeding

OK.

As we never seen two varieties of number " 6" in each - magnetic or non-magnetic types, it doesnot have a sense to underline what kind of " 6" is on the each type. Two lines over buffalo is still under research ( is it Mint error or coin variety) .

any suggestion to the coin sheet?


3) 10 Qirsh KM#122
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces7463.html
I checked my 34 coins and there is no noticeable difference
OK. any suggestion to the coin sheet?

4) 1 Pound KM#127
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces38747.html
I checked my 7 coins and noticed that:
3 coins, edge readable when obverse is on top
4 coins, edge readable when reverse is on top
Also, when having each set on top of each other with lettering on edge matching, the coin rotation doesn't match; so edge lettering position is not the same

Well, about year ago we have a discussion about such " varieties" and agried to not underline them in separate lines. Because its a common variety like 50/50 , and result of manufacturing, and not types or errors.

Thank You.

yours
David

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