What do You think about this swap?

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What is Your opinion on the act of our fellow collector?

Adzi's feedback on 17-Jun-2017

In order to explain Flo29’s zero star rating
We have started with negotiations in December 2016. After making agreement to exchange 17:17 coins I’ve sent the letter in January 2017 as registered mail, sending also a picture of the coins and a picture of the letter. All was Ok with my letter and he has received the coins and rated me with 5 stars. Flo also sent the letter but as regular mail. Untill March I have not received the letter and Flo agreed to send me second letter with 17 coins. I tried to pick same coins as the first time as mush as possible. This time letter was sent as recommended. From some misterious reason I have not received this letter too. The tracking shows that the letter was sent to Macedonia, and that’s it. Nothing more. In May I asked the Macedonian Customs office, also Post office and the answer was that the letter HAS NOT ARRIVED in Macedonia and the only information they have was the same one THE LETTER WAS SENT TO MACEDONIA. They suggest that the sender must ask for an inquiry and Flo did this. After some time the answer from the French post was that they don’t know where the letter is and from this moment we can not track the letter anymore.

At the end Flo refuses to send me third letter and also refuses to send me back the coins that I send him. I believe him thet he DID send the coins twice and I DON’T THINK THAT HE IS A DECEIVER, but the fact is that I PAID FOR MY LETTER, HE HAS RECEIVED COINS FROM ME AND I RECEIVE NOTHING. Flo says that this is not fair for me but this does not helps me.

This is the answer that I have received after rated Flo29 with 0 stars

Reply from flo29 on 17-Jun-2017
Tout est dit !!
Adzi explique la raison pour laquelle il n'y a pas eu de troisième envoi .
All is said !!
Adzi explained why there had not been a third letter.


All written here can be seen from the complete conversation between us, pasted below.

flo29, June 9, 2017, 01:57PM
Hello,
No it is not fair.
You're a wronged and I'm a wronged.
But the person in charge is not me, it's the post office.
Florent


adzi, June 8, 2017, 09:16PM
And I paid registered mail and sent 17 coins and receive nothing.
I know that shit happens with the post but do you think that it is fair like this?

flo29, June 8, 2017, 09:09PM
I'm not sending a third letter.
I have already lost 34 coins and paid two letters.
And they can still reach their destination or return to France.
Florent

adzi, June 8, 2017, 08:38PM
But you're planning to keep the coins that I send you?

flo29, June 8, 2017, 07:22PM
Hello,
Sorry, but I'm not sending a third letter.
Two lost letters are not normal.
Either they were stolen, or lost and may be a return one day.
(One of my letters took a year and 4 days to cross France)
In addition La Poste does not reimburse money
Best regards
Florent

adzi, June 8, 2017, 06:39PM
Hello Flo
I understand that they can not locate the parcell.
You can still ask your money back.
What do you propose how to finally conclude our exchange? BR V

flo29, June 7, 2017, 06:43PM
Hello,
Sorry, I have bad news.
I received a letter from France Post,
They stopped searching because they found nothing.
This is why the tracking number is erased
Still sorry this is the first time that it happens to me.
I can not do anything more
Best regards
Florent

flo29, May 30, 2017, 09:30PM
Hello,
A file is opened at La Poste.
They will contact me again.
Here is the document in french:
file:///C:/U sers/flo/Downloads/45429 996%20(3).PDF
Best regards
Florent

adzi, May 30, 2017, 12:07PM
Hello Flo
Any info from Frensh post? The parcell can not be followed any more. Tracking number is erased.
BR V

flo29, May 17, 2017, 08:48PM
Yes and I hope with good news.
Flo
adzi, May 17, 2017, 08:39PM
Hello Flo.
OK, waiting for info BR V

flo29, May 17, 2017, 08:04PM
Hello,
It is done .
Post office has created a inquiries with the tracking number.
I indicated my address and yours also.
I will be informed by email of the follow-up of the research.
Best regards
Florent

flo29, May 16, 2017, 02:07PM
Hi
OK I contacted the post again.
I inform you after (Certainly tomorrow)
Regards
Florent

adzi, May 16, 2017, 11:46AM
Hello Florent
Today I had a client who works as a controller in post offfice here.
Explain him about your letter.
He said that according to postal rules you should fulfill an official document (the name is something like "inquiries" ) in order to start official enquiry where the letter is.
Without this the people in your post office can tell you the letter has arrived in Macedonia (or
some where else) but without confirmation. BR Vladimir

adzi, May 12, 2017, 08:18AM
Helllo Flo
OK We will wait. BR V

flo29, May 11, 2017, 10:59PM
Hi,
I contacted the post again.
The envelope must be blocked at the airport in Macedonia.
2 things can happen either you will receive it or it will return to France but it will be longer (1 month maybe).
I'm sorry that you have not yet received but we have no other solution than to wait again
Best regards
Florent

flo29, May 10, 2017, 11:28AM
Hello,
OK thank you .
I contact again the post office in France
Florent

adzi, May 10, 2017, 10:50AM
Hello Florent
I've just spoked with Macedonian post office and they told me that the letter has not arived yet in Macedonia. It is not noticed on Customs nor in Post office. The only info that thay have is that the letter was sent on 20 March. BR V

adzi, May 10, 2017, 08:16AM
OK I will try

flo29, May 9, 2017, 09:36PM
Hello Vladimir
I called the French post office and they told me that the letter was arrived in Macedonia. They think it is stuck at the customs (douane) of your country. Can you contact your post office to inquire about the letter with the tracking number ?
Thank you
Florent

adzi, May 8, 2017, 11:50AM
Hello Florent
Address is OK
BR V

flo29, May 8, 2017, 11:03AM
Hello,
I do not understand what happened.
The address on the second letter (which I made a picture) is good?
On the first I did not have a picture but it was the same.
I contact post office tomorrow morning to do a search.
I keep you informed
Florent

adzi, May 7, 2017, 09:19PM
Helo Florent
I would like to inform you that untill today I have not received letter from you.
Neither first or second one.
I don't know what is the problem because In the mean time I received 2 letters from Germany and one from Moldova.
BR Vladimir

adzi, March 28, 2017, 10:42PM
hello, not yet br v

flo29, March 28, 2017, 10:29PM
Hello,
Not received the coins?
Florent

adzi, March 15, 2017, 10:45AM
Hello
Thanks, I will inform you after receiving. BR Vladimir

flo29, March 15, 2017, 10:00AM
Your tracking number:
LB025347272FR
Good reception
Florent

flo29, March 14, 2017, 11:10AM
Hi,
The package is ready
I tell you the tracking number tomorrow.


Regards
Florent

flo29, March 13, 2017, 11:12AM
Hi,
Ok It is not necessary to wait longer
I send coins tomorow.
Regards
Florent
adzi, March 13, 2017, 09:42AM
Hello Flo
Nothing has arrived untill today.
BR Vladimir

adzi, March 7, 2017, 09:13PM
ok.. br
v

flo29, March 7, 2017, 08:10PM
Hi,
I send as registered the coins early next week.
If you receive the first swap before inform me.
Best regards
Florent

adzi, March 6, 2017, 08:58PM
Let it be like this...
Will you send the coins as registered or regular mail again?
I will suggest you to send as registered. I had a conversation with a fellow collector from Skopje. He said that he had 3 cases that he did not receiveregular letters from european countries. He is not sure but thinks that the letters to Macedonia don't go directly but via Croatia. Maybe it has some logic because my two cases with lost shipment are your and from a collector from Croatia. Anyway it is your choice. BR Vladimir

flo29, March 6, 2017, 07:43PM
Like this?

flo29, March 5, 2017, 08:36PM
Hello,
OK here are the coins available.
For others I already have several requests.
But as for the first swap I would like to have a maximum weight of 80 gr
Thank you.
Best regards
Florent

adzi, March 5, 2017, 07:31PM
Hello Flo
I haven't received letter from you yet and I think that it is time to think that the letter is lost or stolen.
I picked new 17 coins from your swap list (tried to pick the same coins from the first time as much as possible).
If you want we can wait for some time more, but please, untill we finally resolve this situation put those coins reserved for me. If some coin is not available please inform me and I will pick another one.
BR Vladimir
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adzi, February 20, 2017, 08:14PM
Ok Flo
There is notheing else to do.
We shall wait for some more time.
BR Vladimir

flo29, February 20, 2017, 08:12PM
It may be slowed down at customs.
I hope he is not lost.
Wait a while
But do not worry if it does not happen I will send you another package.
Regards
Florent

adzi, February 20, 2017, 07:37PM
Hello Flo
Not yet.
I was planning to wait untill 23 to have one month past and then to inform you.
BR Vladimir

flo29, February 20, 2017, 04:05PM
Hello Vladimir,
You have not received your coins?
Florent

flo29, February 7, 2017, 02:14PM
Hi,
Nothing abnormal at the moment
Wait a few more days
Regards
Florent

adzi, February 7, 2017, 08:28AM
Hello Flo
I haven't received your letter yet.
16 days after the shipment has been sent.
I hope there will be no problem.
BR Vladimir

flo29, January 30, 2017, 10:14PM
Hi,
I generaly send by regular mail and I never had a problem .
But one is never safe from a loss same by registered.
Good reception.
Florent

adzi, January 30, 2017, 11:46AM
Hello Flo
Did You send the coins by regular mail or by registered?
Last month I didn't received coins sent by regular mail from Croatia.
They "dissapeared" on the road.
I hope it will not be the case
BR Vladimir

flo29, January 30, 2017, 11:01AM
Hi Vladimir,
Thanks for the picture.
I send your coins Monday 23
But i don't have a tracking number .
Florent

adzi, January 30, 2017, 08:12AM
Good morning Flo
Today I sent your coins.
Tracking number is RB019220365MK
Did you sent my coins.
Please send me tracking number.



BR Vladimir

adzi, January 28, 2017, 08:19PM



Hello Florent
Picture of coins in attachment.
Shipment on Monday.
BR V

adzi, January 28, 2017, 01:30PM
Hello Florent
Sorry about delay.
I was very sick for a few days with influenca and that is the reason why I didn't sent your coins yet.
Now I'm ok and will send your coins on Monday.
This evening I will send you a picture of your coins.
BR Vladimir

flo29, January 22, 2017, 06:34PM
Hi,
Ok for me.
My adress is:
[removed]
I send the coins tomorrow.
Good reception
Florent

adzi, January 22, 2017, 02:02PM
Hi Flo
all is ok
I will send your coins next days and inform you.
My address is
[removed]
Send me yours.
BR V

flo29, January 22, 2017, 01:06PM
Hi,
like this?
I no longer own the 1 fr 1941 and I have no other coins that interest me in your list.
If you are OK we validate
Best regards
Florent

adzi, January 21, 2017, 03:47PM
Your message... Find one more coin from my swap list.
I want that Peruvian coin
:-) BR Vladimir

flo29, January 21, 2017, 03:32PM
Hello vladimir,
Here are two others that I do not own
Regards
Florent

adzi, January 21, 2017, 11:59AM
Hello Florent
I'm back now and we can continue with our swap.
I will check again to confirm that all coins you need are available.
You can check again if you need more coins as I have inserted some.
BR Vladimir

flo29, January 7, 2017, 03:12PM
Hi,
Ok .Notify me when you will be back.
Regards
Florent

adzi, January 7, 2017, 06:50AM
Hello
As I'm out of my home at the moment I can not confirm tne coins that you need with 100 % accuracy.
At the end of january I will be back an then we will swap the coins.
BR Vladimir

flo29, January 6, 2017, 09:36PM
Hi,
Are coins available?
Florent

flo29, January 6, 2017, 10:53AM
hi,
Like This?
Generally I exchange old coins with other old ones.
And I have no other coins that interest me in your list.
Regards
Florent

adzi, January 5, 2017, 03:13PM
Hello Florent
Please save those coins for me.
You can check again My swap list for more coins. BR Vladimir

flo29, December 10, 2016, 12:28PM
Hi Vladimir,
thank you for your answer.
OK, we are waiting for your return in January.
Regards
Florent

adzi, December 10, 2016, 11:29AM
Hello Florent
I'm interested in swapping with you.
We can swap at the end of january 2017 when will I be back at home.
You can count on those coins.
If you're agreed I will pick coins from your list later and inform you.
BR Vladimir

flo29, December 9, 2016, 11:04PM
Hi,
Are you interested to do a swap?
Best regards
Florent

Reply from flo29 on 17-Jun-2017
Tout est dit !!
Adzi explique la raison pour laquelle il n'y a pas eu de troisième envoi .
All is said !!
Adzi explained why there had not been a third letter.
if i were in Flo's place, I would not have sent you a third letter either. 2 letters have already disappeared and I would have very little hope for a third letter ever reaching you.

I perhaps may have offered to send a third letter to a third country of your choosing. But if you believe he has not deceived you, you should have written a simple explanation that you believe he sent but for whatever reason, it did not reach you. There is no reason to write such a long explanation.

on another note, Flo has also spent money to send to you twice with 2 sets of coins , so it's a little one sided to say you have spent money and not received anything.

Of course you are free to put a zero star rating, though my personal opinion is that it does not acknowledge the effort taken by Flo
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This is why I,
A} Avoid countries with unreliable mail
And,
B} Don't entertain "lost mail" claims.

If he sends a third letter and that doesn't arrive, what then a fourth letter? At some point he's going to run out of coins.
Non illegitimis carborundum est.  Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!  
Oh, and please remove Flo's name and address from the original post.
Non illegitimis carborundum est.  Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!  
I'm sure I wouldn't have sent a third letter either. After reading your conversation with him it's obvious he did everything he could possibly do to resolve the problem. With the first letter he took a risk by not sending by registered mail, but he took his responsibility and sent a second letter, with registered mail this time. He gave you a track & trace number, you checked it and got the message "the package is send to Macedonia", so it was a genuine track & trace number.
The way you say "I DON’T THINK THAT HE IS A DECEIVER" (in capital letters) looks to me like you think just the opposite. He has 340 swaps with a 10.0/10 average rating and now you make him suspicious. You didn't receive any coins (yet?), so I surely understand you can't give a five star rating, but giving him a 0 star rating, despite the proof he actually sends the coins (genuine track & trace number) is unfair too. And making him suspicious certainly is unfair. And that long feedback you gave him was unnecessary and exaggerated. Florent is as much a victim as you are: you lost 17 coins, but Florent sent 2 x 17 coins, got your 17 in return, so he also lost 17 coins, just like you.
This was just a case of bad luck, for both of you. I think Florent's conclusion is justly: "All is said!"

I know this is not the answer you hoped for but you asked what we think about this swap and you got some honest opinions.
And I really do hope you'll still receive one package and hopefully even both of them so you could send him his second set of coins back.
The addresses are still visible in the feedback.
I fully agree with Phil & co. I would not have sent a third letter, especially not after sending with tracking. Nor would I have expected Flo to send a 3rd letter. You were just badly unlucky. Personally I would have given Flo 5 stars as it is clear the he/she did all they could to get the coins to you. S**t happens.
Personally I wouldn't even have sent a second letter. The fact that Flo's letter got lost isn't per se his/her fault, since it is the responsibility of the postal office to deliver mail. Therefor it's the fault of the postal service, not Flo's. I mean, how does it look fair to you if Flo would send three letters to you while he/she only received one? I have had it too that some letters directed to me got lost. Shit happens, time to move on.
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Quote: "Spookie"​I fully agree with Phil & co. I would not have sent a third letter, especially not after sending with tracking. Nor would I have expected Flo to send a 3rd letter. You were just badly unlucky. Personally I would have given Flo 5 stars as it is clear the he/she did all they could to get the coins to you. S**t happens.
​I too would have rated five stars.
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