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Do you know who had the luminous idea to remove the statues of the confederate general Lee or monuments in remembrance of CSA's death soldiers in Virginia ?
Isn't it a bit disrespectful and silly (cause it's an opportunity for the nazis and KKK to demonstrate in the streets and to make talk about them) ?
Read the news.
Reported.
I didn't find the information. Otherwise I
wouldn't ask for it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Strange idea to report a post motivated by curiosity
Some city councils in the southern states had for some years already started to discuss the removal of confederate monuments. See for example this recent NY Times piece for some background.

I suspect many older people who are now offended about the removal of Lee's statue were happy to see the statues of Lenin and Stalin fall in 1989-1991. I believe they have double standards because one of the main arguments now is that Lee was part of history and that removing his statues means erasing history. Should this not be true for communist statues as well?
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Thanks !
Personnaly I'm not always at ease with the idea of removing statues, monuments or any symbolic references which were built or made by criticable regimes. The desir of the Ukrainians or of the Latvians to remove statues of Lenin or Stalin is understandable, because they were harshly occupied by the Soviets. But I'm opposed to the destruction of monuments in remembrance of red army soldiers died during WWII in these countries or to the changement of "Stalingrad" in "Volgograd" in Russia - because Stalingrad is for ever the symbol of victory against fascism - it's a simple question of respect regarding the whom who died and history.
Lenin or Stalin were political, controversial, leaders, directly responsibles of millions of deads.
Lee was a soldier, who fought for a bad cause, such as the German General Rommel. But both weren't directly implied in crimes and were often respected by their enemies for their sens of valors. In a certain way, they were moral people, maybe more than Caesar or Harris Truman.
I agree, but what to do when Rommel and Lee becomes celebrated not for their qualities as generals, or as people in general sense, but rather becomes centerpieces in Nazi/White Supremacist/KKK celebrations?
Desecration of symbols, but not from those who tear down those statues.
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Maybe remind to everyone that Lee wasn't really pro-slavery and that he freed all the slaves he inherited from his father during the war. Concerning Rommel, it could be useful to remind that he died after he plotted to assassinate Hitler, like some other heroic - and forgotten - officers of the Wehrmacht.
And that is almost impossible task, to explain something to people with IQ of a donut.
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Quote: "KAISERKILLERfr08"​Maybe remind to everyone that Lee wasn't really pro-slavery and that he freed all the slaves he inherited from his father during the war. Concerning Rommel, it could be useful to remind that he died after he plotted to assassinate Hitler, like some other heroic - and forgetted - officers of the Wehrmacht.
​There's actually a Finnish pop song about Erwin Rommel by the band Ultra Bra named 'Säkeitä Erwin Rommelille' (Verses for Erwin Rommel).

Translation of the lyrics:

If you were alive I wouldn't care for you
You would be an engineer or a soldier
and I'm a humanist, you didn't understand art
You said about a beautiful monastery
that it should be a dugout

You lived in a time of violence
and your career was war
Every day you sent thousands of people to die
But you were still bigger than the brutal time around you
You fulfilled the hardest commandment - you knew how to love your enemy

Refrain:
When politicians and humanists were quiet
You looked Hitler in the eye and called him a villain
You had an original brain but you thought with them
Too honest people get murdered nowadays, too, murdered nowadays, too

The Devil sent a telegram to your funeral:
Your big victories would become a part of history
But it doesn't interest you
You were more than history asked for
In a time of violence you were a humanlike human
That's the point ! Even if Rommel wasn't completely clean (but no one is, especially among the great military commanders, whatever their countries and the causes they were fighting for).
In this Guardian piece by Richard Wolffe:

«“You’re changing history,” [Trump] added. “You’re changing culture.”

Never mind that these statues themselves were an effort to change history and change culture. Never mind that the culture they represent was an abomination on America’s history and a moral affront to the values enshrined in the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

There is no finer expression of the white supremacist mindset than this kind of cultural defense. The so-called citizens’ councils of the 1950s also argued they were just trying to protect their culture from sliding down the slippery slope of civil rights, integrated schools, voting rights and economic opportunity for minorities.»
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I don't condone the destruction of these monuments. I do, however, advocate their relocation to graveyards.
No doubt the most famous monuments to slavery, the pyramids, will be next.
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I defer to the wisdom of that great Southern Patriot Mr. H. K. Egerton, a man who's hand I'm very much looking forward to shaking on my next visit to the Carolinas. We have a few mutual acquaintances in the Asheville area so I'm hoping it can be arranged for our paths to cross.

If both the KKK and BLM hate you then you must be doing something right. I particularly admire the fact that he doesn't need white liberals to be offended on his behalf and isn't afraid to say so. As a man who grew up in the Jim Crow era (and was the Director of the local NAACP) I think he has a firmer grasp on what is and isn't "racist" than any virtue signaling white knight trying to ride to his rescue whether he needs / wants it or not.



Look him up on YouTube, it's like a breath of fresh air amidst all the low brow hatred and ignorance on display elsewhere.

I know several black folks who consider themselves to be Southrons first and foremost who are absolutely livid that their culture is being destroyed by carpet bagging Yankee activists. It's only in recent years that black Southerners have been forced out of their own culture by slimy, opportunist politicians. Until the dire arrival of the grievance industry and identity politics, pitting one race against the other, we were all just Southern folks. The myth of the "backwards, racist South" is a modern fabrication meant to divide us and make us subservient to New York and the DC Beltway. Jim Crow was the result of reconstruction, the Klan originated in Indiana not Mississippi, the driver of the car who killed the young lady in Charlottesville was from the Yankee heartland, Ohio. Just leave us alone and we'll be just fine. We've had our differences but until recently we sorted them out like family, without breaking each other's heads. Don't tell me about the South, I've lived here almost as long as many of you have been alive. When you've lived her for a few years and enjoyed our famous hospitality and seen us living our daily lives alongside each other in happiness and peace, then you can have an informed opinion. Don't judge us by what you see on TV or by crowds of rioting thugs bussed in from outside to perform for the newsreels. We don't tell you Northerners how to live your lives and would appreciate the same consideration.

Why do you think so many black families chose the last names of prominent Confederates or Virginian Constitutionalists? Lee, Jackson, Beauregard, Washington, Jefferson......?

It's not always about race.
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Quote: "pnightingale"Don't tell me about the South, I've lived here almost as long as many of you have been alive.
​This is a very weak, and prvocative, argument. Look at Trump, he's been alive way longer than me, but I wouldn't use that as an argument to "trust in him". Just because you've lived longer than the other guy doesn't mean that you're smarter, more educated, less ignorant, or know "how things works".
Quote: "pnightingale"Don't judge us by what you see on TV or by crowds of rioting thugs bussed in from outside to perform for the newsreels.
​Does this go for North Korea as well? ;)

Quote: "pnightingale"​Why do you think so many black families chose the last names of prominent Confederates or Virginian Constitutionalists? Lee, Jackson, Beauregard, Washington, Jefferson......? ​
​I don't know where you want to go with this. According to researches I've read there's really no exact link to the person and the name. Many blacks who didn't have a last name could pick one. Most of the time it could've just been a coincidence.
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