France 10 centimes Napoleon III bare head inconsistencies

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There is article in Numista catalog about bare head type 1852-1857

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces320.html

It states in the year distribution that there are
1. Coin 1852E
2. Coin 1853A Eagle privy mark

At the same time no references to them are mentioned in SCWC and Le Franc by Stéphane Desrousseaux, Michel Prieur, Laurent Schmitt (Les Chevau-légers)
Of course these catalogs are not comprehensive and do not oblige the mention all known coins still, is it possible to add the images or at least the references to the coins in question?

Next question to the year distribution table for 1853K and 1855K.
3. There are statements about a vertical leaf or frond (feuille verticale)
Could we make translation into English of the term 'feuille verticale'? Unfortunately, the images in my possession does not permit me to identify this privy mark of engravers general properly. Then it will be possible to substitute the lines in English version as
instead of

1853 K (fr) KM#771.5 feuille verticale
1853 K 1,203,400 KM#771.5 Bordeaux Mint
...
1855 K (fr) ancre - km# 771.5 - feuille verticale
1855 K 8,046,364 KM#771.5 Bordeaux Mint (Anchor privy mark)
1855 K KM#771.5 Bordeaux Mint (Dog privy mark)


something like

1853 K KM#771.5 (Vertical [Term for feuille] privy mark)
1853 K 1,203,400 KM#771.5 Bordeaux Mint (Horizontal [term for feuille] privy mark)
...
1855 K KM#771.5 Bordeaux Mint (Anchor vertical [term for feuille] privy marks)
1855 K 8,046,364 KM#771.5 Bordeaux Mint (Anchor horizontal [term for feuille] privy marks)
1855 K KM#771.5 Bordeaux Mint (Dog horizontal [term for feuille] privy marks)

Right now it is difficult to catch for a reader, where this 'feuille verticale' is situated even.
Alexander from Cyprus
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I have the 1855- (Bordeaux) anchor and 1856 Lille mint.
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No words needed....
Ole
Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
Ole
May I suggest a small correction? I'll do it anyway ;-)
You are using the word vine (not wine), as a translation from the French vigne. But the image I see is a leaf, as correctly put in the year comments. The vine is the whole plant, while here we only see the leaf.

Beter to use leaf or vine leaf

And thanks for the wonderful documentation you keep producing!
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Hi BramVB,

your suggestion is accepted and here is the result of the corrections, thank you very much.

Thanks for the compliment as wellz)
Ole
Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
1852E = E like in Essai (test in French) minted with medal orientation and in special proof. From Gadoury!
ole
Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
1853A Eagle privy mark. Not mentioned in my Gadoury!
From the French site: "aigle - km# 771.1 - existence de ce millésime controversé" (the existence of this is not proven). So no use to search any further!
Ole
Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
Looks like most questions are solved, yet the article needs to be corrected.

Till now I can see the first (wrong) version of the images in the article.

We may add to the comment

1. Coin 1852E is mentioned by Gadoury

2. The existence of coin 1853A Eagle privy mark is not confirmed.



We have to delete the line 1853A from year distributions. This part of Catalog reflects reality and not gossips. There is comment section for gossips. There is nothing wrong with such types of gossips. More over it is recommended to mention them. Once I was lucky to introduce a coin, which existence was dubious. And I have good example, when a single publication 'we are looking for this coin' during the year brought to a few reports of its existence.



To summerize, we have to make some changes.

Comments.

Mintmarks A=Paris, B=Rouen, BB=Strasbourg, D=Lyon, E=Essai (Paris), K=Bordeaux, MA=Marseilles, W=Lille

K=Bordeaux mint used privy mark wine leaf for engraver's general. Two orientations of this leaf are known: horizontal and vertical. Horizontal orientation is found in all years of issue, vertical one exists in 1853 and 1855.

Coin 1852E is mentioned by Gadoury in Monnaies francaises

The existence of coin 1853A Eagle privy mark is not confirmed.

Year distribution.
The vertical orientation of wine leaf is to be mentioned only.
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In this case the catalog mentions the orientation clearly and leaves for a collector a chance to discover vertical orientation in other cases. Based on these results the modification request is sent.
Alexander from Cyprus
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More than 90 people claim possession of that not-confirmed year. Referee should make an effort to message good portion of those to make sure this year does or does not exist.
Catalogue administrator
Probably type collectors..... I could imagine.

Ole
Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
To delete a line is a regular routine. It always takes some time. Let's just wait.
Alexander from Cyprus
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Quote​1853A Eagle privy mark/aigle
​All owners contacted. 7 days to give evidence, deleted otherwise.
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