Change of Reval's Flag + Narva, Danish Estonia, and Ösel–Wiek [solved]

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Hello!

This is how the flag of Reval currently looks:


And this is how I would think the flag of Reval should look:


Reval was the capital of Swedish Estonia, and because Swedish Estonia had the same flag as Sweden, I think it would make sense to give Reval the same flag as Sweden. :)


Thanks for reading!
If we even want to apply a flag to Reval, I think it should be the current flag of Tallinn, which dates back to at least the 18th century.

That or one of the coats of arms (which would be less anachronistic).
Hm... I would think to avoid using the current flag of Tallinn, since that flag was created after Reval issued their last coin (which was in 1681, rather than the mid-1700s).

The coat of arms could work, but I would still prefer to see Sweden's flag there. That is just personal preference though. :)
I also think that we should use flag of Tallin but the older one:

The image of the flag of Tallinn was fixed for the first time in a Heraldics Atlas, published in the middle of the XVIII century in Nuremburg. In the middle-ages it was the flag of the commercial fleet of the Hansatown. Ratio: 1:2 (also used at 1:3).
Toomas Mölder, 12 June 1995
At J.W Norie - J.S. Hobbs: Flaggen aller seefahrenden Nationen, 1971[ nor71] (original print 1848):
98 Revel - Six stripes blue over white.
[beL56] has six stripes white over blue for "Pavillon de Revel. en Livonie".
Peter Hans van den Muijzenberg, 12 and 27 November 2001
The flag of Tallin emerged from the oldest coat of arms of medieval Danish clan Hvide. Besides visual sameness (for example http://www.familiekroeniken.dk/site/person.asp?person=68730 ), there is also strong historical connection - one of the Danish leaders of Estonian crusade and first administrator of newly conquered Danish Estonia was archbishop Anders Sunsen from clan of Hvide.

https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/ee-talin.html
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Swedish flag is good as well as danish

I think that the flag should depends on the volume of coins in the catalog.
Ie. if in Reval, in our catalog, coins during Swedish rule are dominant we should use Swedish flag. I think this will be best solution. If we add too many flags there will be a mess.
Your decision Sulfur you are referee for this country.
Regards,
Damian
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All coins listed under Reval (excluding the ones from Ösel–Wiek, Narva, and Danish Estonia, which are only temporarily being listed under Reval) were made during the Swedish rule of Estonia. The Swedish government allowed Reval to mint their own local coins, which circulated alongside the regular Swedish coins used throughout the rest of Swedish Estonia.

The city of Narva was in a similar situation, so when that place becomes its own issuer, I will also be suggesting that place to use Sweden's flag. ;)

And as for the Danish flag: that will be my suggestion for the flag of Danish Estonia, when that place gets created. :D
Yes, you are right Swedish Flag seems to be best one to placed.
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Bump. :D

With the more recent additions of Narva, Danish Estonia, and Ösel–Wiek, I though I would mention their flags here as well.

Narva (also Sweden's flag):


Danish Estonia (Denmark's flag):


And I could not find Ösel–Wiek's flag, but their Coat of Arms looked like this:

(http://wappenwiki.org/index.php/Balticum)
Ösel-Wiek should have the Danish flag as at the time of our coinage it was Danish property. Just as reval and narva will have Swedish flags.
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I was thinking the coat of arms might be better for Ösel-Wiek to match the other bishoprics, but the Danish flag would work just as well. :)
If Ösel-Wiek gets it own flag/CoA, then we should do the same for Reval and Narva I think. If we order them grouped by Swedish and Danish Estonia we could still get the best of both worlds, both the Swedish/Danish flag for the subcountry + the local flag for the issuers themselves ...

For Reval we could then use the three leopards CoA (as seen on most coins) and for Narva the CoA with the 2 fish and 2 swords (also on the coins). Then they get a bit more of local identitiy ;)
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