Pommern-Pyritz denar

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I bought this coin a while ago, diameter 11.5 mm and 0.31 grams in weight. The seller sold it as a Pyrzyce/Pyritz denar, something similar to this I guess: https://www.ma-shops.com/olding2/item.php?id=247870&lang=en . Is the identification of the issuer correct? And if so, where would the coin go in the catalog? Does Pommern-Pyritz need to be created under German states?

such coins are always difficult

http://herbison.com/someoldcoins.org/saur/g/s325.htm
Non est totum quod splendet ut aurum
Rijkdom bestaat niet uit het hebben van veel bezittingen, maar in het hebben van weinig behoeften
Hello,

it is a coin minted under the city of Pyrzyce or Pyritz in German.
Pommern is in the name just to indicate where this city was located in the past.

Yours I believe should be same as this one - https://www.ma-shops.de/raffler/item.php?id=19485 Dannenberg 223
https://www.antikmakler.de/bv215192 this book would probably give more clarity.

Coins minted by free cities should be added as issuers under their current respective countries of where they are located. So in this case it should be as a new issuer under Poland.

Here some othercoins that we could add.
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2349249
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2209543
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2349262
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1414004
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Moderator team, can you add this new issuer?

Free city of Pyrzyce/Pyritz

Ville libre de Pyrzyce/Pyritz

Their flag?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/POL_Pyrzyce_flag.svg/1920px-POL_Pyrzyce_flag.svg.png
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Dannenberg:
http://www.digitale-bibliothek-mv.de/viewer/toc/PPN637445945/1/
(page 218, hauptwork)
Non est totum quod splendet ut aurum
Rijkdom bestaat niet uit het hebben van veel bezittingen, maar in het hebben van weinig behoeften
Thank you! I think I'll contact the referee for Poland to add the issuer.
Quote: "apuking"​Hello,

​it is a coin minted under the city of Pyrzyce or Pyritz in German.
​Pommern is in the name just to indicate where this city was located in the past.

​Yours I believe should be same as this one - https://www.ma-shops.de/raffler/item.php?id=19485 Dannenberg 223
https://www.antikmakler.de/bv215192 this book would probably give more clarity.

​Coins minted by free cities should be added as issuers under their current respective countries of where they are located. So in this case it should be as a new issuer under Poland.

​Here some othercoins that we could add.
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2349249
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2209543
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2349262
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1414004
​Hi,
If we move Pyrzyce to Poland then probably all otther like Stettin, Breslau, Krossen should be also moved under Poland.
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Some I think yes will move in future, some are already out such as Breslau.
in general though here I was only talking about coins minted by Free Cities such as Hamburg, Riga... who minted coins by the city.

Stettin, City im sure will move to Poland

some simmilar cases have already happened such as the free city of Besançon moving last year from a German state issuer to a french issuer
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Quote: "apuking"​Some I think yes will move in future, some are already out such as Breslau.
​in general though here I was only talking about coins minted by Free Cities such as Hamburg, Riga... who minted coins by the city.

​Stettin, City im sure will move to Poland

​some simmilar cases have already happened such as the free city of Besançon moving last year from a German state issuer to a french issuer
​Then we need to create a new country i think as i spoke with other referee this is not good place for Kingdom of Poland. Probably there is need to create such thins as Polish states.
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There are a lot of cities that should go "under" Poland as Polish states or rather Pommern or Duchy of Pomerania
https://wcn.pl/auctions/43/browse?cat=14
https://wcn.pl/archive?q=pomorze+zachodnie
ie : Stralsund, Wolgast, Koslin etc
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Damian
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Yes it might make sense to add it under States or simply as dropdown list of issuers under Poland.
That is for you to decide with Moderator Team. Altough my sugestion would be to leave them as deopdown listed issuer under Poland and once you have a bigger amount of issuers then to have these seperated same as German States, Italian States...

Stralsund and Wolgast are German Cities, so Im not sure why you would want to move these to Poland.

Köslin, yes under Poland but that an issuer we do not any coin from at the moment so still to be added.
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I will think about the best shape and let you know what we decide.
Yes you are right Stralsund and Wolgast are German Cities just make quick glance on the thread.
I need time to be more familiar with this coinage as im not sure if there should be under Poland or German states or maybe a new country.
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In Kopicki catalog there is such system:

6.1 Monety miast polskich (coins of polish cities):
Elbląg
Gdańsk
Ryga

6.2 Monety miast Pomorza Zachodniego (coins of cities from West Pomerania)

6.3 Monety miast śląskich (coins of Silesia cities)

After Mieszko I conquered Pomerania, his son and successor Bolesław Chrobry tried to consolidate Polish power there. In the year 1000, a bishopric was established in Kołobrzeg. The Piast rule in this area, however, proved to be unstable. In the 11th century, Pomerania broke away from Poland. It was not until the first half of the twelfth century that Bolesław Krzywousty returned them to Poland. Its eastern part - Pomerania, was directly incorporated into the Polish state, whereas the Słupsk and Western Pomerania (Kamień, Kołobrzeg) became Polish fiefs. The Warcisław I reigning in Western Pomerania is considered the progenitor of the Gryfit dynasty.

Throughout the history of Western Pomerania, periods of unification were quite rare and relatively short-lived. It was broken down in the twelfth century. It was united in the second half of the thirteenth century (1264-1295), and then in the years 1478-1531 and shortly in the seventeenth century (1625-1637). Here are the individual duchies of Western Pomerania: Demmin, Słąwno ( Schlawe) , Słupsk (Stolp) , Wołogoszcz (Wolgast), Stargard (Stargard in Pommern) , Szczecin( Stettin) , Barth, Darłowo (Rügenwalde) oraz Wolgast- Stolp.The most important of them are the Duchy of Stettin and the Duchy of Stolp and the Wolgast, which at the end of the Middle Ages were merged into one political organism - the Wolgast-Stolp dukedom.

West Pomerania has been dependent on Poland, Denmark, Saxony, Brandenburg and the German Empire during its long history.

Some of the princes from the Griffin dynasty made a great career in international politics. One of the best known Gryfit is Kazimierz IV słupski (Kaźko), the favorite grandson of the king of Poland, Casimir the Great, through whom he was adopted. After the death of Casimir the Great, Kazka seriously thought about the Polish crown.

Even more outstanding career was the participation of Eric Pomorski. He obtained three crowns: Danish, Norwegian and Swedish. He was convinced, however, that the fortune is rolling. In the mid-15th century, he was dethroned in all three kingdoms.

Another outstanding representative of the Gryffit family was Bogusław X, who at the end of the 15th century managed to unite West Pomerania. His important political and dynastic successes are certainly the begetting of numerous offspring. Thanks to this, he prevented the dynasty from dying, which hung over the Gryfits at the end of the fifteenth century

In 1534 Gryfits adopted Lutheranism, which of course had a bearing on their policies. The last male representative of the family was Bogusław XIV. He died in 1637. Sweden and Brandenburg shared the Duchy of Pomerania. Anna de Croy - the last representative of the Gryfit dynasty - died in 1660.

by http://blognumizmatyczny.pl/2018/11/09/mennictwo-zachodniopomorskie-za-czasow-gryfitow/

About Pyrlitz
In the early 12th century, the town was part of the realm of Wartislaw I, Duke of Pomerania, which evolved into the Duchy of Pomerania.
In 1263 the town received Magdeburg law. By the Contract of Pyritz of March 26, 1493 the Dukes of Pomerania recognized the right of succession of the House of Brandenburg. Pyritz was the first town in Pomerania to implement the Lutheran Reformation in 1524
In 1634, during the Thirty Years' War, it was again largely destroyed by a conflagration. After the death of the last Pomeranian Duke in 1637 and by the Treaty of Westphalia the town became part of the Brandenburg-Prussian province of Pomerania following the Peace of Westphalia (1648) and the Treaty of Stettin (1653), along within the rest of Farther Pomerania.
In 1818, the town became the seat of the district administration (Kreis Pyritz) and was connected to the railway system in 1882. As part of Prussia the town was located in unified Germany of 1871.
Following the post-WWII boundary changes, Pyrzyce became part of Poland. Its German population was expelled and the town was populated with Poles, many themselves coming from Polish areas annexed by the Soviet Union east of the Curzon line.

The first coins from Pyrzyce come from the fifteenth century, which is already part of Western Pomerania
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrzyce


When earlier i had some doubts now im sure that coins from Pomearnia shouldn't be under Poland. They are connected with Poland like Courland , Novgorod Republic, Wallachia,Moldovia,Duchy of Prussia or Teutonic Order

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Pomerania#House_of_Pomerania_(Griffins)
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According to the above i believe there should be created a new country called WEST POMERANIA like it was done with Bohemia. If you have any other idea please share. Coinage from West Pomerania (including Pyrzyce) is for Poland only historically related coinage like ie.Duchy of Prussia or Silesian coins. If we move West Pomerania coins under Poland then Silesia or Courland should also go under Poland. The case is difficult because we have now dukedom of Stolp (Słupsk) now city in Poland and we have dukedom Wolgast now city in Germany. This two dukedoms we can easily move under Poland and German but where to place Wolgast-Stolp Dukedom neither to Poland or Germany. That is why i think the best thing we can do is to create a new country.
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