redsmithstudios
Joined: 20-Dec-2010
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Posted: 6-Apr-2019, 22:07
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Posted: 6-Apr-2019, 22:07
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It finally happened, I bought a fake coin and didn’t find out until I got it home...
Can you find it?
Taking a break from swapping for a while, but still interested in pre 1799 Spanish coins, I will make time for that!
Looking for pre 1783 coins
apuking
Joined: 31-Oct-2012
Posts: 8689
Posted: 6-Apr-2019, 22:10
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Posted: 6-Apr-2019, 22:10
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Top right one?
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Salaction_old
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Posts: 438
Posted: 6-Apr-2019, 22:44
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Quote: "apuking"Top right one?
Would say top right one aswell, The Face looks much different from the others :D
KLiao
Joined: 6-Jan-2019
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Posted: 6-Apr-2019, 23:12
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Posted: 6-Apr-2019, 23:12
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I’m thinking the top right
Didi99
Joined: 9-Mar-2019
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Posted: 6-Apr-2019, 23:21
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Posted: 6-Apr-2019, 23:21
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Hello,
I would say topright considering the lips of Lady Liberty and the branch which the eagle is holding.
PetrusAscanus
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Posted: 6-Apr-2019, 23:48
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Quote: "apuking"Top right one?
yes ?
Non est totum quod splendet ut aurum
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LEÓNIDÁS
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Posted: 6-Apr-2019, 23:50
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Posted: 6-Apr-2019, 23:50
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I dont know these coins but top right have small numbers in date in compare with others.
auscoin
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Posted: 7-Apr-2019, 00:38
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Posted: 7-Apr-2019, 00:38
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Top right also because of arrowhead?
aaronmgd
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Posted: 7-Apr-2019, 03:18
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Posted: 7-Apr-2019, 03:18
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The 1900 (top right) the edge/rim (or the lack of a rim) and denticles are wrong. That's not to say the others are authentic. But the 1900 looks off. The eagles beak looks squished as well.
Aaron
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harryg
Joined: 26-Mar-2018
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Posted: 7-Apr-2019, 04:02
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Posted: 7-Apr-2019, 04:02
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1900 O. RIB in Pluribus is wrong and foliage almost touches the denticles in same area among other issues previously mentioned. A very common Chinese forgery unfortunately.
PetrusAscanus
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Posted: 7-Apr-2019, 10:18
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Non est totum quod splendet ut aurum
Rijkdom bestaat niet uit het hebben van veel bezittingen, maar in het hebben van weinig behoeften
Steve27
Joined: 22-Mar-2016
Posts: 1665
Posted: 7-Apr-2019, 19:49
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Quote: "aaronmgd"The 1900 (top right) the edge/rim (or the lack of a rim) and denticles are wrong. That's not to say the others are authentic. But the 1900 looks off. The eagles beak looks squished as well.
Aaron
I agree, the 1900-O has bad denticles, which leads me to believe it's a fake.
yvon
Joined: 9-Jun-2017
Posts: 1288
Posted: 7-Apr-2019, 20:17
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I guess the 1891 is fake, I am not an expert in this kind of coins, but something let me doubt this one....
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Sjoelund
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Posted: 7-Apr-2019, 21:58
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Quote: "redsmithstudios"It finally happened, I bought a fake coin and didn’t find out until I got it home...
Can you find it?
I'm not using my time on that kind of games! Have fun!
Ole
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Mr. Midnight
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Posted: 7-Apr-2019, 22:50
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when do we get the answer, and how did you actually determine the fakeness?
Jamais l'or n'a perdu la plus petite occasion de se montrer stupide. -Balzac
Camerinvs
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Posted: 8-Apr-2019, 01:40
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I also believe it's the top right one, and I came to this conclusion before looking at any of the replies.
Because of the lighting, it's easier to see on the reverse (though you can guess it on the obverse as well) that the surface of the letters are rough. That's because it's difficult to polish the incused letters on a fake die produced by electrolysis.
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redsmithstudios
Joined: 20-Dec-2010
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Posted: 8-Apr-2019, 03:51
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Good work guys! Top right it is.
I bought this in a large lot and didn't have time to look at each coin very well. Once I got home and sat down I could tell something was wrong, and the first thing I did was the ice test. It failed the ice test. Then I weighed it on my scale, it passed that test and doesn't stick to a magnet. Then I measured it with calipers, perfect diameter, but its too thick! I called the guy I got it from and he gave me my money back, but he didn't believe it was a fake. He took it to the coin shop and the coin guy couldn't tell....
coin shop guy put it on a density machine and said it was indeed a fake. I don't know about this machine, does anyone know about this density machine?
Taking a break from swapping for a while, but still interested in pre 1799 Spanish coins, I will make time for that!
Looking for pre 1783 coins
gyoschak
Numista team
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Posted: 8-Apr-2019, 08:03
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Posted: 8-Apr-2019, 08:03
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The “machine”: It’s about $600, somewhat bulky, and a little difficult to use.
https://www.coinsupplyexpress.com/precious-metal-verifier
https://www.sigmametalytics.com/
Dealers need it to spot good fakes, for the rest of us it’s an opulent toy. IMO only for an advanced gold or silver collector. A few dealers have let me use one, but you really need to know your stuff to make it useful. It’s too large to put in your pocket, about the size of a medium hardcover book.
Mr. Midnight
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Posted: 8-Apr-2019, 09:54
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Posted: 8-Apr-2019, 09:54
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how much too thick is it?
is it obvious if you put it between two good ones?
Jamais l'or n'a perdu la plus petite occasion de se montrer stupide. -Balzac
redsmithstudios
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Posted: 8-Apr-2019, 22:14
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Posted: 8-Apr-2019, 22:14
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Quote: "Mr. Midnight"how much too thick is it?
is it obvious if you put it between two good ones?
yes. I set a good one and the fake one beside each other on a table and could tell the difference before I measured it with the calipers. Only about half a millimeter difference but visible to the eye.
Taking a break from swapping for a while, but still interested in pre 1799 Spanish coins, I will make time for that!
Looking for pre 1783 coins
Mr. Midnight
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Posts: 3441
Posted: 8-Apr-2019, 22:32
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Posted: 8-Apr-2019, 22:32
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Interesting. A silver plated copper/nickel forgery would only need to be 15% thick to weight the right amount, and that is visible if you are looking for it.
Jamais l'or n'a perdu la plus petite occasion de se montrer stupide. -Balzac
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