oban
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Posted: 8-Jan-2020, 22:12
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Posted: 8-Jan-2020, 22:12
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Hello all,
Please help me to identify this coin, which I really have no idea of its age / country.
The keys on a coin
usually mean Europe , Germany / Switzerland, but the reverse is a bit unusual.
Diameter approx. 28mm, weight 7 grams.
Thanking you in advance.
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Andrey
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Posted: 9-Jan-2020, 05:14
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Posted: 9-Jan-2020, 05:14
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The other side is also necessary
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oban
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Posted: 9-Jan-2020, 08:39
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Posted: 9-Jan-2020, 08:39
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Somehow it didn't go through, and I didn't even notice it., here it is
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Andrey
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Posted: 9-Jan-2020, 08:52
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Posted: 9-Jan-2020, 08:52
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I think it's not a coin, but a token of some sort.
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oban
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Posted: 9-Jan-2020, 12:02
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Posted: 9-Jan-2020, 12:02
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I kind of think so myself, since there doesn't appear to be a date on it.
"G" "8" might just stand for weight, 8 grams (when minted).
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stratocaster
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Posted: 10-Jan-2020, 00:25
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Posted: 10-Jan-2020, 00:25
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hi
Is it possible that it's not G 8?
maybe part of 1785? There are two crossed trumpets and a french horn with a heart in the middle.
Sorry, otherwise no idea
Best
strato
Andrey
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Posted: 10-Jan-2020, 08:03
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Posted: 10-Jan-2020, 08:03
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1785 is a possibility. French horn is often associated with postal service.
Try to read the legend on the other side. You can probably see better the worn letters in different light. Typing them in a search engine (Google or whatever you are using) might give you some ideas for further research.
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oban
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Posted: 10-Jan-2020, 13:26
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Posted: 10-Jan-2020, 13:26
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Have tried googling for the inscriptions, lots of rubbish links come up, nothing useful.
The photos actually give quite a good angle for viewing.
Not sure it has anything to do with France, usually you get some sort of Fleur - de - Lis on them.
the two keys seem to be the main indicator of its origin.
I have tried to google, in German, "City crest with two / parallel keys" - quite a few links there, but none has the keys being parallel/ inverted to each other
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PetrusAscanus
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Posted: 12-Jan-2020, 23:14
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welcome to Numista!!
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Frenchlover
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Posted: 12-Jan-2020, 23:52
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Every cloud has a silver lining, at least I reviewed the list of
HRE states
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apuking
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Posted: 13-Jan-2020, 00:02
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Edited: 13-Jan-2020, 06:51
Posted: 13-Jan-2020, 00:02
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Edited: 13-Jan-2020, 06:51
Keys are not only on German States coins:
Papal States, Avignon, Gibraltar, Riga are a few others
the flaming heart and hunting horn could indeed be french.
the horn reminds me of the emblem of the Voltigeurs troops, but these only exist since 1804, I could be wrong though.
The flaming heart is attributed as a more religious symbol.
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Frenchlover
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Posted: 13-Jan-2020, 00:30
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Edited: 13-Jan-2020, 00:38
Posted: 13-Jan-2020, 00:30
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Edited: 13-Jan-2020, 00:38
Thanks for "flaming heart", it was the clue
Admission ticket for Bermondsey Spa Gardens
At last ERMOND exists !
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Posted: 13-Jan-2020, 11:44
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fantastic! good find!!!
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oban
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Posted: 13-Jan-2020, 14:11
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Posted: 13-Jan-2020, 14:11
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Firstly, thank you for welcoming me to the forum.
Secondly, the item indeed does appear to be a token, an earlier version of the Bermondsea spa gardens ticket token.
Here is the description from The Saleroom:
The Gardens were opened by Thomas Keyse (1722-1800), a self-taught artist, in 1766. Initially a tea garden, the discovery of a mineral spring aided its popularity and by 1784 it had become a pleasure ground. By the turn of the 19th century its popularity had declined and it was closed c. 1806.
I very much appreciate everyone's help, thank you all.
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stratocaster
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Posted: 13-Jan-2020, 16:12
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oban
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Posted: 13-Jan-2020, 22:53
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Posted: 13-Jan-2020, 22:53
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There doesn't seem to be any mention of this particular type in online sources,
it's either French horn/ heart on one side, and 5 lines of writing on the other, or 5 lines of writing and the two keys on other side.
https://research.britishmuseum.org/research/collection_online/collection_object_details.aspx?objectId=75142&page=18&partId=1&peoA=181464-1-8&people=181464
https://www.dnw.co.uk/auction-archive/past-catalogues/lot.php?auction_id=484&lot_uid=313061
But James Conder does mention something similar in his 1798 book:
O. "Two keys and TT", Bermondsey Spa Garden.
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