Portugal: 10 reis 1838, km409 versus km470, top of 3 [résolu]

N#35326

http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,53142.0.html

Inspired by the thread in WoC, I made this documentation, but in Numista we don't have the km470, only the km409, although both are present in the SCWC

and here my documentation, which I'll issue the CR for km406, since the referee has to create the km470, I suppose?

Hello,

where does number KM470 comes from? I thought this was issue between KM 406 and KM 409? Both are present in the catalogue - N#35326 - with your documentation and N#26628 without your documentation.

Also, it says KM470 on the documentation as well, is that a typo or I am mistaken?

Here is the km470 from the 1801-1900 edt 8, page 1063! A part from that I don't know anything about the coin.

So there are three different coins, interesting.

Jarcek

So there are three different coins, interesting.

406 and 409 both have flat 3s, the 470 a rounded 3.

This is the typical problem with using generalist catalogs rather than country-specific catalogues.
 

The Portuguese catalogues, namely the most detailed one (Alberto Gomes) describe 4 types of "X Réis" according to its diameter:
 

Ø 34.0/35.0 mm..... M2 10.01 to 10.03 ... (KM#470) ... 1835/36/37………… (Flat “3”)
Ø 33.0 mm.............. M2 11.01 to 11.05 ... (KM#470) ... 1835/36/37………… (Flat “3”)
Ø 32.0 mm.............. M2 12.01 to 12.04 ... (KM#406) ... 1836/37/38/39 ……..(Flat “3”)
Ø 31.0 mm.............. M2 13.01 to 13.05 ... (KM#409) ... 1837/38/39  ……….. (Round “3”)
Only the last reference has the "3" with round top.
 

There are also variations in the size of the legends and legend errors that I have not refered.

In this case, the Krause catalog, instead of clarifying, only added to the confusion.

So is there anything to modify or shall I close this thread?

Don't close it yet. I'll set it up with all 3 km#.

Here it is, do you want a CR, or do you just use it?

I have just add the proposed image to both Numista pages:

10 Réis - Maria II - Portugal – Numista

10 Reis - Maria II - Portugal – Numista

We can close the topic

monge

I have just add the proposed image to both Numista pages:

10 Réis - Maria II - Portugal – Numista

10 Reis - Maria II - Portugal – Numista

We can close the topic

Why do the year line comments on N#26628 all say KM#306?

Some say 309!

Sjoelund

Some say 309!

 

 

Yes, thanks. I meant to say that but I forgot.

The 306 & 309 are obvious typing mistakes.  They should be 406 & 409.

I will correct the page.