Krause catalogs

Hello

As far as I know the Krause publication went bankrupt in 2019 since then no new catalogs were published.

It is pity. I'm collecting coins for more than 40 years and KM catalogs used to be a good source of information for both collecting and swapping.

As the publication ceased to exist, I wonder how there are still KM number for new coins? 

Thanks

The site numismaster.com has taken over in the issuing of new KM numbers.

Thanks. Including values in different grades ?

If  you aren't logged in you don't see values, just this statement: Click here to subscribe and see pricing information.

Coin prices are $11/month, $90/year. But I have no idea how complete or accurate the values are.

Thanks a lot.👍

That is good to know.

As regards pricing, comparable sales on the internet such as NGC, coinarchives, ebay, etc, has since long been preferable to looking it up in Krause.

With regards to numismaster.com: they have a serious gap in their catalogue for some recent coins. I have sent them a message whenever I came across a missing item, but they never responded nor added it to their catalogue. Seems a completely dead site to me. 

I just searched for 2023 on numismaster.com and there were 2053 matches. Two were matches on text in the listing and the rest appear to be coins issued in 2023, many only issued in 2023.

There are huge gaps in the site, but new coins are being added. And the gap problem existed with the paper catalogs – the last few paper catalogs were missing coins issued several years earlier.

And the lack of response is standard: I tried contacting them a few times over the decades to report problems and didn't receive a response. (Some others had better luck.)

The Krause SCCW was sold to Penguin who published the 21st century catalog for an year i.e 14th edition and then found it unviable.

Active Interest Media   holds the intellectual property of KM numbers and  controls  numismaster, They are busy so do not respond but they do update . I have been a contributor to Krause for the last 10 years and  though  due to ill health and the huge volume of  cartoon coins pushed by many of the world mints have slowed down in my contributions to Active Interest Media.

This is very interesting information.

They also make many many mistakes adding new KM# numbers for coins that already have a KM# Number.

Have a look at this coin … >>> N#76909

It has KM# 1934 which was issued quite some time ago for the 2013 coin.

The same coin has been issued each year with no changes up to 2018.

However Numismaster decided to give the 2016 coin a different KM# Number >>>  KM# 3304

https://numismaster.com/?id=1910010

WTF? Are they just stupid or what?

Mike 

Hello Mike:@brismike ,

Do you have another reliable reference system/catalog in Australia like we have in Canada with the RCM/MRC or Charlton references?

In Canada, we have also a third well establish catalog, Haxby… but the former referee (Québécois) didn't add these reference numbers in Numista. Too much work with the two first references already mentioned I suppose (on top of KM#).

Will we see Numista members slowly stop using KM# as their their main reference bible ?

Cheers,

Big Mac

Hello Mike,

 

Do you have another reliable reference system/catalog in Australia like we have in Canada with the RCM/MRC or Charlton references?

 

In Canada, we have also a third well establish catalog, Haxby… but the former referee (Québécois) didn't add these reference numbers in Numista. Too much work with the two first references already mentioned I suppose (on top of KM#).

 

Will we see Numista members slowly stop using KM# as their their main reference bible ?

 

Cheers,

I cannot see the day, where I'll Not use the KM#, it's the only worldwide global reference number.

Big Mac

Hello Mike:@brismike ,

 

Do you have another reliable reference system/catalog in Australia like we have in Canada with the RCM/MRC or Charlton references?

 

In Canada, we have also a third well establish catalog, Haxby… but the former referee (Québécois) didn't add these reference numbers in Numista. Too much work with the two first references already mentioned I suppose (on top of KM#).

 

Will we see Numista members slowly stop using KM# as their their main reference bible ?

 

Cheers,

Hi Big Mac - No we don't have a unique Australian reference number for Australian coins like you guys have got in Canada. We do have a very good Printed Catalogue book that is updated regularly. It is called “Renniks Australian Coin & Banknote Values”. The 32nd Edition has just been published. It is the Bible for Australian coins and is 360 pages of information.

The Royal Australian Mint does have a reference number/code for each coin that it issues but it is not widely used at all. Mainly internally by them.

The Renniks book covers all Australian coins from early Proclamation coins, Colonial Tokens, Pre Decimal coins, Decimal coins and Banknotes. It has all Royal Australian Mint and Perth Mint issues and also has a section on PNC's. (Postal Numismatic Covers).

This is the front cover  and some typical pages, all in full colour … No mention is made anywhere in the book about KM# numbers.

I think KM# Numbers are here to stay but Numismaster needs to take more care in issuing them. As I mentioned in my post above they make a lot of mistakes that I know of with Australian coins. They have missed so many in the past that there are huge holes in the KM# numbering system.

Regards Mike

I just got hold of the newest Chilean coin catalog and it's completely based on the KM#!

We still have to think globally and in between act locally.

Ole

Yes, the KM# are with a lot of errors and gaps also on other countries, not only Australia. The problem is that even you write to them with all needed information, they not answer and the error will be probably not corrected (at lease for kong months).

I have impression that for some of the issuers, the numismaster team is looking on Numista list of coins without KM# numbers and add them after some time. Two months ago, I noticed multiple new KM# numbers for the coins that had been previously (before summer) added to Numista (the ones added later are still without KM#). 

MMowiec

Yes, the KM# are with a lot of errors and gaps also on other countries, not only Australia. The problem is that even you write to them with all needed information, they not answer and the error will be probably not corrected (at lease for kong months).

I have impression that for some of the issuers, the numismaster team is looking on Numista list of coins without KM# numbers and add them after some time. Two months ago, I noticed multiple new KM# numbers for the coins that had been previously (before summer) added to Numista (the ones added later are still without KM#). 

 

But that's exactly what we need, isn't it, the new km#, where they are missing?

Just for a point of reference:

In the Numista coin catalog for 2020 to 2023 there are 9,439 coins without KM numbers.

Of these 9,142 are NCLT's.

Sjoelund

 

But that's exactly what we need, isn't it, the new km#, where they are missing?

Yes, it is. Just wanted to notice that for the new coins, it's rather Numista which is the reference for numismaster than the other way.

I think the limited resources in numismaster team don't allow them to fill all the gaps (specially the older ones) and to correct the errors. For Numista, this is a multiple users & referees work so it's easier to update.