Bulgaria: Euro

The 1 cent and all the others

N#523230

and in the comments section this

If I say, it was LIKELY minted in Greenland, who would be able to contradict me? Do we really want uncertainties in Numista?

@Jarcek 

PS Why not use just WIDE and NARROW rim?

I found this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_euro_mints

Only the Bulgarian Mint is mentioned!

I also found this:

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic174853.html CR for this submitted at Jarcek's suggestion.

Edit: I see you already found that post.

I am being pinged around for this. I have asked the original requestor to send a change requests based on news reporting from Bulgaria that those coins are being minted in two mints.

We should probably ask Sofia mint or Kremnica mint to clarify. 

So there is a source linked to (I assume) back up this 2 mint usage, just in Bulgarian, which I don’t speak.

https://bntnews.bg/news/balgarskite-evromoneti-kade-i-kak-se-sekat-1363454news.html

We still don't know for sure about two different mints, nothing is documented, so aren't we creating false news?

King

So there is a source linked to (I assume) back up this 2 mint usage, just in Bulgarian, which I don’t speak.

 

https://bntnews.bg/news/balgarskite-evromoneti-kade-i-kak-se-sekat-1363454news.html

 

Thanks KIng,

In your Bulgarian text I found what we need:

but not the allocation of wide or narrow rims to the mints…..

So Numista is still only an assumption?

So now to a practical question, what do I have here?

How should I enter them in Numista?

Sjoelund

So now to a practical question, what do I have here?

How should I enter them in Numista?

Considering the quality of these coins they were definitely minted by the Kremnica mint.

Here are the same coins one by one and both sides:

1 cent

2 cent

5 cent

10 cent (reverse Europe NOT dotted)

20 cent (reverse Europe NOT dotted)

50 cent (reverse Europe IS dotted)

1 euro (reverse Europe NOT dotted)

2 euro (reverse Europe IS dotted)

So where were those coins minted?

Here is the 1 euro coin shown in numista with dotted Europe

Here is the 1 euro in my collection without a dotted Europe

So which ones are minted where? I still can't figure out how to enter my coins in the catalog🤢

I bet you have a mix of minted coins, some from the mint producing sharp coins, others from mint producing less sharp coins. The no dots on Europe must be the Sofia mint, right?

King

I bet you have a mix of minted coins, some from the mint producing sharp coins, others from mint producing less sharp coins. The no dots on Europe must be the Sofia mint, right?

Thanks, King

You see, I'm not sure, which mint is which. I would like to see some real documented facts from the concerned mints, and not just some talk from high placed government people.

Obviously we have to take both the reverses and obverses into the definitions.

Sjoelund

King

I bet you have a mix of minted coins, some from the mint producing sharp coins, others from mint producing less sharp coins. The no dots on Europe must be the Sofia mint, right?

Thanks, King

 

You see, I'm not sure, which mint is which. I would like to see some real documented facts from the concerned mints, and not just some talk from high placed government people.

 

Obviously we have to take both the reverses and obverses into the definitions.

Me neither, I was just conjecturing based on previous posts and logic. As logic would determine the Euro without dots to be the inferior coin and thus minted in Bulgaria

As of the wider question of documentation, I am also on the side of waiting longer and for more actual evidence relating to mints, mintages, etc - however I have noticed that members are overly keen to change anything they think is wrong with a Numista page that they come across these days, forgetting that these pages are produced by voluntary members work, and where I am all for correcting mistakes, the referees have to make sure they are not pandering to the whims and wishes of members just because they want it changed. Many recent forum posts are evidence of this, I just hope that is a change request is rejected by the referee, members aren’t taking to the forum to instigate a pointless thread in the vain hope of gathering evidence to push the referee into approving their change. (Generalisation not aimed at any member or thread).

Not to forget, that for the moment you cannot enter your Bulgarian euros in the proper year lines (IMO), since they are not defined and sourced by any real proof.

Sjoelund

Not to forget, that for the moment you cannot enter your Bulgarian euros in the proper year lines (IMO), since they are not defined and sourced by any real proof.

True, but I haven’t found one in change yet, so I don’t have any to ponder over.

Sjoelund

The 1 cent and all the others

 

N#523230

 

and in the comments section this

If I say, it was LIKELY minted in Greenland, who would be able to contradict me? Do we really want uncertainties in Numista?

 

@Jarcek 

PS Why not use just WIDE and NARROW rim?

Are those images from the same denomination? The top image says СТОТИНКИ (plural) and the bottom has СТОТИНКА (singular).

And it appears the same images are used in the one cent, five cent, and ten cent page. Only images from the correct denomination should be used.

(I'm not saying the conclusion is wrong, jut that the current images used on the pages don't support it.)

Also the layout right now is garbage sub-optimal for comparison.

bjherbison

Sjoelund

The 1 cent and all the others

 

N#523230

 

and in the comments section this

If I say, it was LIKELY minted in Greenland, who would be able to contradict me? Do we really want uncertainties in Numista?

 

@Jarcek 

PS Why not use just WIDE and NARROW rim?

Are those images from the same denomination? The top image says СТОТИНКИ (plural) and the bottom has СТОТИНКА (singular).

 

And it appears the same images are used in the one cent, five cent, and ten cent page. Only images from the correct denomination should be used.

 

(I'm not saying the conclusion is wrong, jut that the current images used on the pages don't support it.)

It seems that only the one cent is in singular and all the cents are in plural!

Found a Bulgaria 1 and 2 euro in Germany last month in Rheinland Pfalz. Surprised how quickly they've travelled.