Egypt 10 Milliemes [résolu]

Hello.
I have in my collection a coin that I think is Egypt, 10 milliemes 1972, KM A426
It looks exactly like the pictures I have seen, but it is 23mm diameter.
Is this an other coin, an error strike, fake...
Thanks
Tony

Hi Tony,
maybe it could be the 10 piastre KM#430 ?

KM430 is also in my collection : copper-nickel 27mm diameter
the coin I'm trying to identify is aluminium 23mm

size and material are equal to KM411, but dated AH1392, and with the same eagle as KM A425

I only noted the size difference because I placed it next to KM435




top line : 5milliemes A425  -  10 milliemes A426?????
bottom line : 10 piastres KM430  -  10 milliemes KM435

greetings
Tony

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces10420.html

 It is 10 Millièmes - just that the size is wrong on the page. This is correct as aluminium.

In the Country list I chose Egypt then 10 and of the 54 coins listed (on six pages) the second page shows most 10 Millièmes together. So the sizes on that page are ...

KM#347 23mm   KM#361 24.4mm  KM#364 23mm  KM#381 23mm  KM#395 23mm  KM#411 23mm
   then KM#A426 21mm
KM#435 21.1mm  KM#446 21mm  KM#449 21mm

I always wondered why it is KM#A426 not KM#426 without the letter A in it. But I know it is not a typing mistake as I have seen a list of 1972 Egyptian coins (from which it also confirms the size should be 23mm, well 23.4mm) so that 1 Millième is KM#A423 and both 5 Piastres are KM#A428 and KM#A427 though both the 10 Piastres go back to normal with KM#430 and KM#431 (all for 1972 as stated). Maybe it is a Krause mistake that has gone unnoticed and the world just copied that ?! Does anyone know ?
P.S. I also see in 1974 KM#A441 is 5 Piastres, but that's the only other (for Egypt), I think.
 

Having typed all the above a few minutes ago I see maybe why the A is there ...

KM#423 is 1970 50 Piastres   KM#A423 is 1972 1 Millième
KM#424 is 1970 1 Pound        KM#A424 does not exist
KM#425 is 1970 1 Pound        KM#A425 is 1972 5 Millièmes
KM#426 is 1970 1 Pound        KM#A426 is 1972 10 Millièmes
KM#427 does not exist          KM#A427 is 1972 5 Piastres
KM#428 is 1970 1 Pound        KM#A428 is 1972 5 Piastres

Perhaps Krause made an error in numbering and that was their way to correct it.

Which brings up another query ( ! )
 * in Egypt a search by KM number shows (on page 8 of 15) that KM#424 is listed on Numista as 1359 (1940) whereas the coins either side of it (KM#421 and KM#426) show 1390 (1970). So I think on
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces18474.html
the date should be amended - on the reverse I see four dates, including 1970 i.e.  ١٩٧٠

... and finally - I see in Egypt not on Numista (in KM sequence) three coins (should these be added ?)

KM#422   25 Piastres   1970     6.0 g    26.2 mm   Silver
KM#423   50 Piastres   1970   12.5 g    33.0 mm   Silver   Nasser
KM#425     1 Pound      1970   25.0 g    40.0 mm   Silver   Nasser

Then the other way round, where the list I saw says there are no KM#426 or KM#428 though as they are gold maybe they do not include them, or got omitted. But it also says KM#A425 does not exist (1972 5 Millièmes) which is aluminium, so that should be listed like it is on Numista.

I think that is all  

Thank you for the replies. I already thought that it was an error size in Krause, but because I checked in the numista catalog and I saw the same (error) size here I started to doubt. I hope this will be corrected now.

Greetings to all !

honestly - I don't really understand - maybe too late  
could anyone of you file a list what there is to do / to correct?
thanks

Citation: Makake77honestly - I don't really understand - maybe too late  
could anyone of you file a list what there is to do / to correct? thanks

Does don't understand mean you don't understand what I am asking, or you do understand but don't know the answer ?! And file a list does that mean a summary of my queries ?! Sorry to ask those, but I myself now don't understand what is asked ?! I summarise amendements (once checked to see if correct) ...

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces10420.html
 Diameter  21mm  should be   23.4mm

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces18474.html
  Year  1359 (1940)  should be  1390 (1970)

 and finally do coins only get added if someone has one in their collection, or do all available get added?
So that KM#422 and 423 and 425 do not appear in the KM number sequence (on Numista) so if someone does have one they will be writing to ask. I do not wish to add as I do not know if what details I gave are correct. Plus I have no coins of those so cannot take a picture and do not want to put grey circles.
 Again apologies if I am unclear  what you wrote !      

well, my Krause catalog might not be up to date - I will check these entries. But if the catalog has it wrong - then what? I'd like to have a list "how it should be" - if that is possible. However: if the catalog has it wrong then what about the KM# codes? Maybe we better do new entries for coins that are not listed.
What exactly are those coins that are missing?

I looked into it... maybe I found something that might help you with your questions  
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KM#A424 does exist. But it seems to be quite uncommon

CitationKM# A424 5 MILLIEMES
Aluminum Obv: Denomination divides dates, legend above
Rev: Corn ears and grain sprigs encircle figure below sun
Note: Mule - Obverse of KM#A425 and reverse of KM#433.

CitationHaving typed all the above a few minutes ago I see maybe why the A is there ...

KM#423 is 1970 50 Piastres   KM#A423 is 1972 1 Millième
KM#424 is 1970 1 Pound        KM#A424 does not exist
KM#425 is 1970 1 Pound        KM#A425 is 1972 5 Millièmes
KM#426 is 1970 1 Pound        KM#A426 is 1972 10 Millièmes
KM#427 does not exist          KM#A427 is 1972 5 Piastres
KM#428 is 1970 1 Pound        KM#A428 is 1972 5 Piastres

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concerning KM#424

CitationKM# 424 POUND
25.0000 g., 0.7200 Silver 0.5787 oz. ASW Subject: 1000th
Anniversary - Al Azhar Mosque Obv: Center circle divides dates
Rev: Al Azhar Mosque
Date Mintage F VF XF Unc BU
AH1359-1361 -
1970-1972

it seems the date conversion for this one has it wrong. while the islamic dates given on the coin
are written correctly on Numista. 1359 is most probably 1940. I don't know why this is struck on the
coin. I suppose it is not the date letter but more like some commemorated event.
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Citation... and finally - I see in Egypt not on Numista (in KM sequence) three coins (should these be added ?)

KM#422   25 Piastres   1970     6.0 g    26.2 mm   Silver
KM#423   50 Piastres   1970   12.5 g    33.0 mm   Silver   Nasser
KM#425     1 Pound      1970   25.0 g    40.0 mm   Silver   Nasser

it seems noone has them (in their collection)
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concerning KM#A425

CitationBut it also says KM#A425 does not exist (1972 5 Millièmes) which is aluminium

It does exist

CitationKM# A425 5 MILLIEMES
Aluminum Obv: Denomination divides dates, legend above
Rev: Eagle with shield on breast

and is listed on Numista (some people own it and entered a coin into their collection)
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces4822.html

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CitationDiameter  21mm  should be   23.4mm

I will promise to ask all users having that coin to check this since all late date other 10 Millièmes coins
have a diameter of 21mm. So this is indeed interesting to know - thanks for your help

diameter is 23mm. lots of users replied to my query. so this riddle is solved. thanks for your help