Why said this coin is rare? 19 million mintages?

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This can mislead us unless, there is a story behind it.


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https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces4258.html


1866 M BN 19,199,457 KM#14.1 rare

I do quite like the rarity scale from this website: http://numismatica-italiana.lamoneta.it/moneta/W-VE2/7 and even there it is listed as R and the 1867 Torino as R2
could be that something happened that made them become scarce, melted down by Government to finance war, mint burned down...

Someone had put "rare" and "ultra rare" in all Vittorio Emanuele coins it seems, and the referees accepted.

Some topics where this was discussed:

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic47727.html

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic14018.html

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic49979.html

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​1866 M BN 19,199,457 KM#14.1 rare

​I suggest you do what I do, ignore any references to the words "rare" or "ultra rare" on this site.

I can understand this rare but not ultra rare, if its the case the jersey coins are all ultra rare then because the majority a lot less then a million.

1867 T BN 396,231 KM#14.3 ultra rare

Usually this site is very accurate and i relay on it but thanks for your suggestion.

Do you know another?

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Dear Sir,
In 1886 42 million of pieces of 50 cent was withdrawn and melted.
The first melted was the stoks on the banks. So It's not difficult that the stoks icluded a large number of 1866.

@jeffff_it which coin are you talking about and thanks for info.

I am talking about the coins of the first post.

1866 M BN 19,199,457 KM#14.1 rare

Only 16 members claim to have it in their collection. And two have that "ultra rare" version.

I mostly collect Italian coins. My first reaction to this is: someone's been upping the rarity scale without actually thinking. there are two possible reasons.
1: whoever transferred the rarity info from the italian catalogue didn't realize that it has a different rarity scale than the Gigante, the common reference catalogue generally in use to evaluate coin rarity. (an issue that has turned up on the italian lamoneta forum, some of the members of which curate the catalogue).
2: they upped whatever the rarity was by a level because they misunderstood the italian Non- Comune and tool it to be rare oving everything up by one degree.. uncommon-rare, rare-very rare ETC...

I just collect Italian coins.
In my opinion there are a lot of problem about the rarity for the coins from 1900 onwards.
Before I quite agree with manuals.