New category for Books beside Coins / Banknotes / Exonumia [résolu]

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Hello,

 

Part of most of us collection is made of book, we use it as references or just to start a new collection sometimes it's better to start by the book before to purchase the coins by example for Roman coins.

 

That was a part of the idea of this topic but as it's now implemented I think it's better to start a new idea to see what's people think about it?

 

So basically the idea is to be able to ad to our collection and to swap, books related only to the categories Coins / Banknotes / Exonumia.

 

Something like that but with grade:

 

Because by example with Krauss, if I have a 10 years old book and purchase the last edition I should be able to enter the new one in my collection and swap the oldest version.

Always look on the bright side of life!

Hello,

Just for the records, this idea was also suggested in 2019 on the referee forum (https://en.numista.com/forum/topic88975.html - accessible only to referees), with 13 upvotes and 0 downvotes. Let's continue the discussion here, accessible to everyone.

Xavier

Hello,

Just for the records, this idea was also suggested in 2019 on the referee forum (https://en.numista.com/forum/topic88975.html - accessible only to referees), with 13 upvotes and 0 downvotes. Let's continue the discussion here, accessible to everyone.

I remembered well the discussion open by apuking but as I can't access it, I thought it would be good to make it more visible.

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I strongly support this idea! Reference books would be a great addition in collectable entries of Numista.

I'm surprised there are so many downvotes without any explanations in thread?

Compendium

I strongly support this idea! Reference books would be a great addition in collectable entries of Numista.

I'm surprised there are so many downvotes without any explanations in thread?

Well, maybe people fear that we open too much to non numismatic related items?

 

From my own perspective I would not be against: Numismatic books, coin sets and Stamps (as there were used as money in difficult periods) and here in Spain our national mint, the FNMT: La Fábrica Nacional de Moneda y Timbre mean The National Coin and Stamp Mint.

 

Back to the topic, referees more than standard collectors need books, it's why I am not too surprised to see a better adhesion of the idea on the referee forum.

Always look on the bright side of life!

Indomini16

Compendium

I strongly support this idea! Reference books would be a great addition in collectable entries of Numista.

I'm surprised there are so many downvotes without any explanations in thread?

Well, maybe people fear that we open too much to non numismatic related items?

 

From my own perspective I would not be against: Numismatic books, coin sets and Stamps (as there were used as money in difficult periods) and here in Spain our national mint, the FNMT: La Fábrica Nacional de Moneda y Timbre mean The National Coin and Stamp Mint.

 

Back to the topic, referees more than standard collectors need books, it's why I am not too surprised to see a better adhesion of the idea on the referee forum.

I understand why there'd be more neutrality, but fail to understand opposition. Many users are here for coins only, or exonumia only, but why a new section useful for some people would bother people not needing it?

I don’t understand neither but looking at this thread I can see that people down votes what they don’t collect…

I would agree that people don’t want to see fantasy book and so one, but here we are speaking about related books …

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I'm very much in favour of maintaining a repository of all the literature related to numismatics.

We need to know which books exist on which topic, ideally with a description and comments from readers. So if I want to learn more on a specific topic, I know which book I need. In addition to books, we would also need journal articles.

 

I'm not fully convinced we need to make them another type of collectibles like coins, banknotes and exonumia. Not sure we really need grades, swaps, etc. for books.

 

The only reason it is not available yet (apart from a basic implementation for numismatic catalogues) is that it requires some time to implement. They don't really fit in the same model as coins, banknotes and exonumia.

Xavier

I'm very much in favour of maintaining a repository of all the literature related to numismatics.

We need to know which books exist on which topic, ideally with a description and comments from readers. So if I want to learn more on a specific topic, I know which book I need. In addition to books, we would also need journal articles.

 

I'm not fully convinced we need to make them another type of collectibles like coins, banknotes and exonumia. Not sure we really need grades, swaps, etc. for books.

 

The only reason it is not available yet (apart from a basic implementation for numismatic catalogues) is that it requires some time to implement. They don't really fit in the same model as coins, banknotes and exonumia.

The main value would be swapping I feel.

Some references are quite rare on the market, and expensive

Do you think there will be Numista members offering those hard-to-find books for swap? 

Xavier

Do you think there will be Numista members offering those hard-to-find books for swap? 

Good question, I don't know indeed… I agree there would need of a product research here to understand core value to create.
For instance maybe somehting like “asking members for infos being in references they have” could be a solution candidate.

Hello everyone. You were wondering who can downvote an initiative to improve Numista, it is really a bit strange and I understand that it is not understood. 

 

I have been one of those who have voted negative, and I give you my reasons: any improvement of the Numista website is always well received by me, and I think that this proposal is one of them, I love it, but I have voted negative because implementing new improvements when, in my opinion, there is still a long way to go to improve the current catalog, could involve spending significant time implementing something new when the current one still requires a lot of time. 

 

If the fact of implementing this proposal does not imply wasting time in order to improve what already exists, my vote would obviously be YES. I hope I have explained myself well and that you have been able to understand my reasons.

 

Regards, Oscar from Barcelona

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oynbcn

Hello everyone. You were wondering who can downvote an initiative to improve Numista, it is really a bit strange and I understand that it is not understood. 

 

I have been one of those who have voted negative, and I give you my reasons: any improvement of the Numista website is always well received by me, and I think that this proposal is one of them, I love it, but I have voted negative because implementing new improvements when, in my opinion, there is still a long way to go to improve the current catalog, could involve spending significant time implementing something new when the current one still requires a lot of time. 

 

If the fact of implementing this proposal does not imply wasting time in order to improve what already exists, my vote would obviously be YES. I hope I have explained myself well and that you have been able to understand my reasons.

 

Regards, Oscar from Barcelona

Very clear, thanks!

In my opinion, votes are about validating issues and solutions. Afterwards, Xavier is the one who allocate resources and prioritize the tasks.

You convinced me, modified vote. 😉

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I support this idea also. Sometimes reference books are the only way to access information and images of the scarcer items we collect.

When I first read this, I didn't approve of the idea, on further consideration I approve. Just don't allow non-numismatic books.

 

Taking into account coin/banknote/token/medal books are a very specialised area of interest, poorly covered by general book sites.

 

I think it would be a good idea to catalogue all numismatic books, hardback/paperback/electronic (pdf, epub) in all languages… and not just reference books (that is books with reference numbers), as books on monetary history, manufacturing techniques, identification, and collecting are also very useful.

 

The ability to list all the books you own, duplicates, older titles… and the ones you are willing to swap could be a great use of this site, as obtaining older out of print books can be near impossible. I would guess that most people have no idea how many books are available on a specific topic or in a particular language, because no easy access database exists.

-Dan

Will this topic include also articles in different publications, which can be far more professional or detailed on specific topic than any other book/catalogue?

Will these books be limited to already approved references?

Will book pages have a link to publicly accessible content like here or accessible directly from Numista (which is not file storing webpage)?

Will there be a rating added for these books, some are of not a that great quality as you would expect? I bought some books in the past and still have nightmares over the coffee money spent over "that".

Will we be differentiating this material to Catalogues, Auction Catalogues, Numismatic Society Publications, etc.?

Will there be tags on the specific contents in these publications (these certainly cannot be the same as with coins/tokens/notes)?

And so on…

Would resurrecting and updating these be a first step?

 

Reference catalogues

 

Numismatic books for download

Links to freely available books and articles would be a good idea.

There are quite a few such resources freely available online as pdf downloads, not just from google books.

rsirian1

Would resurrecting and updating these be a first step?

 

Reference catalogues

 

Numismatic books for download

I upvoted this b/c I love reading books on numismatics & the more the better. However, I agree with rsirian1 100%. I have tried to negotiate the Reference link/section and have given up after scrolling and just losing interest.    

 

Isn't it possible to add some type of navigation (which goes by title or subject)? Surely, this section can be made a little more user friendly. 

https://sites.google.com/view/notaphilycculture/collecting-banknotes

Xavier

Do you think there will be Numista members offering those hard-to-find books for swap? 

I don't know for sure but I feels like people can find interested in swapping books, I have an extra copy of a book that is difficult to find and nowhere else in the market right now, now is that book a high interest for a lot of collector I doubt. But I will take Krauss as an example, You had often publication of Krauss in the past and to get relevant reference as referee I bought the newest one, I still have the oldest one but won't use it. So instead of having them taking dust on the shelves, I could swap it for coins.

 

Now I feel like good option to keep not only books but also periodicals with users review, but we need referees to review it.

Always look on the bright side of life!

Hibernia

I support this idea also. Sometimes reference books are the only way to access information and images of the scarcer items we collect.

+1

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inc7007

Just don't allow non-numismatic books.

+1

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Xavier

Do you think there will be Numista members offering those hard-to-find books for swap? 

Absolutely,

I must have around 10 Numismatic books that I have as duplicates and others that I would love to SWAP against books relating to German States or medals that I do not have for example.

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Listing our own books would also help me know what i already have 😆 having quite the library already it did happen for me to buy i book I already had or sometimes to hesitate buying one as Im not sure if i already have this book.

 

To choose also to publicly show your book collection or not could also be valuable in finding or asking advice to colleagues who own a certain rare book.

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Also, there is not a real place where you can find a Numismatic library right now, you have to browse internet for hours sometimes to find the reference that fit your needs.

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I think this is a great idea and I think to prevent overcrowding we should have a search function similar to the the catalogue for example:

  • Title (eg Standard catalog of World coins 1901-2000).
  • Country/issuer it specialises in (books that cover multiple countries such as Krause can be included in any searches)
  • Authors, co-authors, Publishing house etc.
  • Year of Publish
  • Country it was published in
  • Language 

 

The only issued is books for Exonumia will be a rabbit hole in itself, plus copyright will be an issue. The books that have expired copyright certificates and ones where authors have stated that it can be used openly can be added without any issues but how are we going to add books that have strict copyright laws on them and no easy method to contact the author/publishing house?

 

Finally is this going to be accessible only to Premium members? or can anyone with a Numista account and everyone else including the general public access it?

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The only issued is books for Exonumia will be a rabbit hole in itself, plus copyright will be an issue. The books that have expired copyright certificates and ones where authors have stated that it can be used openly can be added without any issues but how are we going to add books that have strict copyright laws on them and no easy method to contact the author/publishing house?

What is the issue of Exonumia books?

I must have 30 or so and do not see any issue.

Copyright is only an issue if images from withinthe book are shared so probably only the front back etc cover will be ok.

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The only issued is books for Exonumia will be a rabbit hole in itself, plus copyright will be an issue. The books that have expired copyright certificates and ones where authors have stated that it can be used openly can be added without any issues but how are we going to add books that have strict copyright laws on them and no easy method to contact the author/publishing house?

What is the issue of Exonumia books?

I must have 30 or so and do not see any issue.

Copyright is only an issue if images from withinthe book are shared so probably only the front back etc cover will be ok.

It’s good you have a lot a books covering Exonumia because like I said before it being a rabbit hole due to the millions of different tokens out here and not much of it is documented.


I originally thought the entire book would be scanned (for users to read about the information they want for reference or any other purpose) and uploaded or am I mistaken?

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Worldwide collection

I originally thought the entire book would be scanned (for users to read about the information they want for reference or any other purpose) and uploaded or am I mistaken?

My understanding would be that free books, or books in the public domain, could be linked to (or hosted).

For copyrighted books, it would simply be a list of available publications: title, subject, language, ISBN, scan of cover, etc.

-Dan

Worldwide collection


I originally thought the entire book would be scanned (for users to read about the information they want for reference or any other purpose) and uploaded or am I mistaken?

The idea here is to create a new collectable category to our website. Not to make a scan of the books.

You purchase a hard copy of a book and before you put it on your shelves you register it into your numismatic book collection here in Numista.

So if you open a swap with someone you can also swap it against coins, banknotes or Exonumia.

Always look on the bright side of life!

inc7007

Worldwide collection

I originally thought the entire book would be scanned (for users to read about the information they want for reference or any other purpose) and uploaded or am I mistaken?

My understanding would be that free books, or books in the public domain, could be linked to (or hosted).

For copyrighted books, it would simply be a list of available publications: title, subject, language, ISBN, scan of cover, etc.

That’s what I had in theory.

Indomini16

The idea here is to create a new collectable category to our website. Not to make a scan of the books.

You purchase a hard copy of a book and before you put it on your shelves you register it into your numismatic book collection here in Numista.

So if you open a swap with someone you can also swap it against coins, banknotes or Exonumia.

Well personally in my opinion I would like to see both points incorporated into Numista because one it would make it easier to access information which was previously hard to do (rare book or language barrier) if copyright free books were scanned in and visible to users who have a Numista account. 

 

Secondly I do like the proposition of having a section dedicated to numismatic books and swapping them. For example hypothetically if I own a book about Roman coins but I don’t collect them I can swap it with a user who has a copy about Mexican banknotes (but does not collect banknotes).

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After reading all the comments here it seems to me that any idea or ideas suggested always seem to get complicated before they even get implemented. I think this is a simple idea. Take the reference catalogues that have been approved and allow the members to select from that list what they have. Add it to there collection and allow the member to make it public or private just like the other collections. You can even add date lines for different editions to a reference. Once the idea is implemented it can be refined.

Referee for Exonumia from United States

Here a related topic.

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JLHare

After reading all the comments here it seems to me that any idea or ideas suggested always seem to get complicated before they even get implemented. 

Yes. I have to agree with you here!

JLHare Once the idea is implemented it can be refined.

 

 

 

+1

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Here what was posted on the Referee Forum back in November 2019

 

Difficult to work with what we have now with the simple List, Id rather see something more implemented.

 

 

 

Posted: 15-Nov-2019, 16:13
Edited: 23-Nov-2019, 08:39

Hello Moderators and Referee's, here an idea which I have just sent to Xavier via PM.


I would like to suggest you an additional feature that I since a long time am dreaming to see on Numista.
Sorry if its not clear to all as I feel its difficult to explain exactly in writing.

In my household I have around 100-150 Numismatic books, often Im not even sure what I have as they lay in my dusty attic.

In the section Catalog of Numista I would like at the bottom of the list with (Country list, Search, Latest coins etc.) to see a new field added with the name of "Numismatic literature"

In this almost the same way as we have the current format for coin sheets, banknote sheets  and exonumia sheets I would like to see the possibility for Numista users to add Numismatic books.

It could look something like this:
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Example sheet for Numismatic Literature
Overall information

Name of the book

Issuing authority (Possibility to choose issuer, country or world/Some numismatic books also cover sometimes several issuers of a certain region, so a posibility to choose more than 1 issuer)

Type of book (Dropdown list with: Book / Catalog / Conference Proceedings / Book Chapter / Journals)

Author

Publisher

Place of publication

Editor

E-book (Yes / No)

Volume

Edition

ISBN (Only if available)

ISSN (Only if available)

Doi (Only if available)

Copyright (public domain / creative commons)

Reference number

Technical data

Number of Pages

Language

Does the book include images (Yes / No / Unknown)

Weight

Size (width X height X thickness)

Price (If indicated on the book)

Pictures

Photo of front Cover

Photo of back Cover

Photo of book's spline

Photo of single page within the book (Sale channels often include 1 inside photo of a book, if its only 1 photo is it not copyright infringing? To verify)

Comments
(Who wants can briefly describe the book and its content here)

References
Tags (Some books are only covering certain collectable fields such as a book on Shooting medals for example)
Links (To whole issuers or countries)

Date of Publishing

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It would be a great feature to then be able to add the books in our collection.
To be able to also Swap books in exchanges.
To add books to our wishlists.
In future to create some link on reference numbers in coin pages with the books in the catalogue.
Under issuers to have all appropriate books listed.

Of course that would not be something that could be easily and quickly implemented, from Xavier I would like to know if that is even technically possible.
What do you guys think about this? Let me know in comments below.

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Hello,

 

I've always supported this idea.

 

I think the editions should be the equivalent of variety lines from coins. So there could be a different line for each new edition, revision, e-book publication, etc.

 

I also think a field for series would be useful, as some catalogues are part of collections. 

 

And finally, for articles (conferences or journals), there could be a field for the name of the journal + volume and issue or for the name of the conference + date and location.

Posted by apuking

Example sheet for Numismatic Literature

I think what you have is great. I was hoping we could get a good foundation to get started with. You have the whole house constructed!

Referee for Exonumia from United States

Prominent on the page we want to know if the book is a standard Numista reference and the reference tag. If there are multiple editions it should be clear which is the Numista reference (if there can be any cases where the latest isn’t the version used).

 

apuking

Here what was posted on the Referee Forum back in November 2019


It could look something like this:

Issuing authority (Possibility to choose issuer, country or world/Some numismatic books also cover sometimes several issuers of a certain region, so a posibility to choose more than 1 issuer)

The standard fields should also specify the date range of the items covered in the book. A huge number of books only cover a specific date range.

apuking

E-book (Yes / No)

An earlier message suggested “hardback/paperback/electronic (pdf, epub)”.  There's also the case where one reference has multiple editions (hardcover and paperback and e-book, each with a separate ISBN but with the same content.

 

apuking

Number of Pages

This needs to be precisely defined. Some books number most of the pages from 1 (with a few front pages omitted), others have some unnumbered front pages, early pages i through xix, them pages 1-123. Some are in multiple volumes separately numbered.

 

Possibly a “total number of pages field” and a free-form field for the details. 

 

stratocaster

I think the editions should be the equivalent of variety lines from coins. So there could be a different line for each new edition, revision, e-book publication, etc.

I like the idea of organizing editions, but many of the fields need to be per version. For a long-running series most of the fields change including the author, editor, and even the publisher (not that any that switched publisher come to mind). Along with size, page count, ISBN, and so on I don't think that fits reasonably in a “line”. Besides you want to allow for pictures of each edition.

 

I think it would be better to have one page for each edition (with lines for hardcover, paperback, e-book), and a separate page for the series.

Thank you bjherbison,

 

agree with your feedback and the forward thinking of you all.

 

That proposal I had sent was a first idea proposal and a lot has also already changed since then on Numista.

That there there used to not be any real Exonumia catalogue and no Banknotes catalogue, series also did not exist.

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I would say, keep it simple at first otherwise it will never come.

We don't need to face all every single situation at first. Like the coin catalogue it can evolve with the construction, the error is to make it too hight level at first, let's keep it basic and doable. Then when this category will grow we will make the necessary evolution to fitt it well.

When we look at the coin catalogue we still have a lot of discutions about categorisation, issuers, languages ect.

 

Let's be smart, and keep it simple at least at first. Perfect is the enemy of good.

 

Also, as it is related to Coins, Exonumia or Banknotes, I would not like to see a book forum, as they are here to support existing categories.

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Since we are also talking about e-books, should they be called something more general and include web sites? A few dozen of the items on the Reference catalogues list are web sites.

 

Not directly related to adding books, but if someone wants to add a new reference to the standard Reference catalogues list they should first be required to create an entry in the book list for the reference.

 

(And we should have a communal project to build up book entries for everything in the Reference catalogues list.)
 

Indomini16

I would say, keep it simple at first otherwise it will never come.

We need to keep a balance.

 

Adding too many speculative hooks for future use is wasted effort. (The first major commercial product I worked on spent too much effort adding ways to extend it. When the second version was design we need to extend things, but the previously designed extension points were almost totally in the wrong place.)

 

On the other had we don't want to make it overly simple. We could have two fields, title and comment, and place author, ISBN, and everything else in the comments. But if we then add author and ISBN fields then every entry needs to be edited – a tremendous waste of effort compared to having the fields at the start. (Note that a large number of coins listed in Numista before the Mint field was added still have mint information in comments.)

Adding text fields to the initial schema is simple. Fields should exist at the start for all the basic fields about a book – things that most of the potential contributors wouldn't mind typing in if they apply. Automated combing if fields later would be simpler than splitting information apart to add more fields.

I volunteer to be a referee for a book/reference section.

 

I have resisted calls to be a coin referee as I don't feel I have enough global sense of what entries should be like (among other reasons). But I think a book section is a good idea, the editing is mostly factual and consistency, and I'd rather not see the existing coin/banknote/exonumia referees distracted from the existing work.

I'm all for this, but I just find it ironic how users are ok with a book section and are aghast when a stamp section is suggested.

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I'm all for this, but I just find it ironic how users are ok with a book section and are aghast when a stamp section is suggested.

I’m with you in general, people start to unlike every single idea that are not complying with there area of interest without more explanation than, it’s not useful for coins …

 

For stamps even if I’m with you, the decision was taken by Xavier before we even run a contest.

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Indomini16

 

 

 

Something like that but with grade:

 

 

For everyones peace of mind should change the picture with a Reference book of Coins, Banknotes or Exonumia 🤗

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So, has this been killed by discussing it to death….again?

Any ideas or feedback from the ones that will have to do the work to implement it.

Referee for Exonumia from United States

apuking

Indomini16

For everyones peace of mind should change the picture with a Reference book of Coins, Banknotes or Exonumia 🤗

They are coins (Notgeld), I have some in my collection.

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I just discovered this older suggestion and I wanted to express my support for this proposal! I think it would be great to be able to catalogue our numismatic books, and I would also be very interested in swapping. 

Yes that would be so awesome.

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+ 1000 ;-)

This would be really cool, but why wouldn't we want to add stamps?

Yes, we don't want to be another colnect but i mean i think more of us have stamps than reference books they want to swap.

*inspecting a Roman mintmark*

The books would transcribe and directly relate to what we have in now.

 

As for the Stamps, that was as far as I remember a desicion of Xavier to not have that in.

I also believe we should focus on the three pillars we have in now and as I said, Reference books of coins etc. are part of that.

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Just a short message to show that even auction houses are selling books. And Therefor we can use the features used for the 3 current categories even in this one. Example.

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Kolbe and Fanning even auction only numismatic books

https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=sale&sid=6870

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I guess this can be set as accepted already. :)

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État accepté (Xavier, 25 sep 2023, 16h56)

I don't know if this has already been discussed, but it would be nice to add an option to make it public to know who has which book (at the owner's discretion) so that they can be contacted if someone is looking for information in a book.

Unus pro omnibus, omnes pro uno

Indeed would be good but maybe selectable to show public same as coin collection as some might not be happy to get plenty of private messages asking information from their books.

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It will be up to users to show that as far as I undrestood. :)

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Copyright is only an issue if images from withinthe book are shared so probably only the front back etc cover will be ok.

I bet most authors will be happy -  After all it might push sales for their books if their still in publications. 

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État commencé (Xavier, 13 déc 2024, 9h24)

I'm curious to know what it's going to look like, could we have a little preview?  👀

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I'm also wondering if it would be possible to include a pdf viewer directly on the page for open access books. 

 

With this for example : https://iiif.io/

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The display part is ready. You can have a look at an article here for example: https://en.numista.com/literature/article.php?id=15
Books and articles used for catalogue cross-references are already shown there. 

The creation and modification request system is under development, then we'll implement the search engine, possibility to add to your collection and eventually swaps.

I looked at the display, which is great! 

 

I don't know if it's planned already, but it would be nice to have, as with the coins, the possibility of clicking to enlarge the cover page (and also add the back of the book). For the search version, it would be nice to be able to search in the filter by theme and type (book, article, review, etc.).

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Basteros

I looked at the display, which is great! 

 

I don't know if it's planned already, but it would be nice to have, as with the coins, the possibility of clicking to enlarge the cover page (and also add the back of the book). For the search version, it would be nice to be able to search in the filter by theme and type (book, article, review, etc.).

Catalogue covers were often uploaded with small pictures before. Only lately we started adding big pictures, so while I am not sure of current implementation, it is possible we simply lack big pictures to show.

Catalogue administrator

Maybe there won't be many at first, but that will come in time. If the feature exists, I think it will motivate members to add large images. 

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There is no more limit on cover picture size.

Filter by theme is planned: books and articles linked to issuers, rulers, mints, etc.

Xavier

There is no more limit on cover picture size.

But will we be able to click on them to enlarge them like coins?

 

Xavier

Filter by theme is planned: books and articles linked to issuers, rulers, mints, etc.

Nice to hear !

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Yes, you will be able to click to zoom in on the cover picture.

And as side effect, we will also be able to highlight many wrongly assigned references for correction. :)

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Xavier

Yes, you will be able to click to zoom in on the cover picture.

Nice !

 

Jarcek

And as side effect, we will also be able to highlight many wrongly assigned references for correction. :)

Indeed, it will help to sort out. Don't hesitate if you need anything, I'm available to help. 

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Just to see what I translating… Can a volume group be seen at this moment? 😜

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Here is an example : https://en.numista.com/literature/volume_group.php?id=39

Xavier

Here is an example : https://en.numista.com/literature/volume_group.php?id=39

Thank you. I thought it was something else.🤔

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Hello,

We made a new partial release regarding books. It's now possible to request the addition and the modification of book and periodical volumes.

We are still working on completing the full functionality. You will soon be able to request the addition and the modification of articles and search the literature catalogue. Until then, and while work is still in progress, you may notice some inconsistencies in the UI; they will be fixed in due time.

Hi

It would be nice if you could view the pieces in Catalogue ordered by reference (1,2,3…) and not (always) primarily by the issuer.

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/index.php?ca=656&no=*&p=1&o=k

LP

mikimaus

Hi

It would be nice if you could view the pieces in Catalogue ordered by reference (1,2,3…) and not (always) primarily by the issuer.

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/index.php?ca=656&no=*&p=1&o=k

LP

+1

I have detected two translation problems when translating to Spanish, here https://en.numista.com/literature/volume.php?id=29
 

  • There are not translation label for “unpublished”.
    Edit: I saw this word is not an interface label, it is a text written in the “Edition” field.
    Could a checkbox be used for unpublished volumes?
     
  • On the same page, at the bottom, there is a section "Contribute to the catalog" with links
    Modify this page
    Duplicate this page
    Add new volume

    In English they are fine (the pages of catalog are named “page”). Also in Spanish (the pages of catalog are named “ficha” = (EN) “card”), but in French (where the pages of catalog are named “fiche”, like in Spanish) a mixture is used
    Modifier cette page ← This label is used only here
    Dupliquer cette fiche ← This label is also used when duplicating an object page
    Ajouter un volume
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The sorting of coins by reference not split by issuer is tracked here: https://en.numista.com/forum/topic135694.html

 

We don't aim at listing unpublished works. What you pointed out is an exception. I won't implement a checkbox for that.

There is a text in French (“Photo actuelle”), without translation label, in https://en.numista.com/literature/contributions/modify.php?id=484, field “Cover image”.

 

Edit: Fixed

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I created a test modification request. When I cancelled it, the system goes to “Page not found” https://en.numista.com/catalogue/contributions/contributions/annuler.php?id=13127983 and the request is not cancelled.

 

Edit: Fixed

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Thank you, we'll look into it.

They also do not show up in your change request log maybe that's way page not found appears?

They appear in your literature requests: https://en.numista.com/literature/contributions/literature_requests.php

davidhs

There is a text in French (“Photo actuelle”), without translation label, in https://en.numista.com/literature/contributions/modify.php?id=484, field “Cover image”.

Fixed ✔️

davidhs

I created a test modification request. When I cancelled it, the system goes to “Page not found” https://en.numista.com/catalogue/contributions/contributions/annuler.php?id=13127983 and the request is not cancelled.

Fixed ✔️

Where is the list that has been compiled? I don't want to request to add items already on it. I see the Reference Catalogs but i have added 2 books that have been approved but cannot find the list they are in.

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JLHare

Where is the list that has been compiled? I don't want to request to add items already on it. I see the Reference Catalogs but i have added 2 books that have been approved but cannot find the list they are in.

 

 

We plan that soon there will be a search of all literature items (similar to the collectibles search). As the number of items is growing, it doesn't seem reasonable to have a flat single-page list.

 

If the items you added are reference catalogues (some literature items may be not), the process to add them to the Reference Catalogs list is still through the forum request to @apuking (Literature admin) at the moment.

I saw the new section “Literature”. 😁

 

There a text without translation label. The field “Periodical” in the main page https://en.numista.com/literature/index.php has the text “No results found” always in English. The translation label exists (select2>no_match) but it is not used here.

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The “Search the literature catalog” result page has items with two links: title and authors. The title goes to the book page, and the authors go to… the book page (instead of each author pages).

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Please make it so you can mark down that you own or have access to books in the literature section. It will help so much because we can ask people questions that will give info to help the numista catalog.

As far as I know the ability to add books to your collection will come soon as well.

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Yes, collection of books will come soon.

Catalogue administrator

Hello,

 

As you have probably seen already, we released the search page for books, periodicals and articles yesterday. This is a major step in the project in the numismatic literature project.

 

Previously, we also released the ability to add and modify books and periodical issues (including the creation of book series, periodicals, authors and publishers). The creation and modification requests are reviewed by the literature admins: apuking and Compendium.

 

We are working on developing the next steps of the project: adding and modifying articles, registering books and journal issues in your collection, and swaps.

 

Feel free to report any issue you may encounter with the literature section so we can adjust.

Great work, thanks to the team!

 

Will there be any criteria or tags to better filter the type of books (antique, modern, tokens, medals, etc.) but also to sort them by country (one or more) or by region (world, Europe, Middle East, etc.)?

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Yes, we plan to specificy what the book is about. In the first phase, you will be able to associate an issuer, a ruler, a mint or a specific coin.

Nice !

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davidhs

I saw the new section “Literature”. 😁

 

There a text without translation label. The field “Periodical” in the main page https://en.numista.com/literature/index.php has the text “No results found” always in English. The translation label exists (select2>no_match) but it is not used here.

Fixed ✅

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